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Hēsci! Hiyowat hvtvm mucv-nettv
Hello! Today again

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Rvfo-rakko ofvt hvte kvsvppe-mahekot ont owisen, netta hę̄rusen hvtvm punpvlhoyen,
it’s not very cold in December yet, but we’ve been given a beautiful day again,

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mv Etem punahoyvkēts makeyvnkē mv vculvke em punvkv mvn escvwepicēn, ’te-cate punvkv, Semvnole em punvkv mvn
as we had said, “Let’s Sit and Talk” we are going to record the elders’ language, the Native language, Seminole language,

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hvtą este-Maskoke em punvkv mvn ’tem punvyvhan’t owēs. Mucv-nettv hiyowat mvt Bessie Little Spencer
and we’re going to talk the Muscogee language. Today Bessie Little Spencer

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Mvt hoktē hocefkv mvn
is the woman’s name

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etem punahoyvhan’t owēs.
and we are going to talk.

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Onkv Bessie, hēsci, vlaketskat here-mahēs. Centv? ’Tem punahoyen mapohicet
Now Bessie, hello, it’s good you came. How are you? We are going to talk and

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pohvkepvrēs kont mont cem puhattet ohwēs.
hope that others will listen and hear it, is why we have invited you.

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Estvmin likēt ’cecolvtēt owa?
Where did you live and grow up at?

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Uh, Little community hocefkusēt tvlofuce enhvsossv fvccv mvn
Uh, East of the little town called Little community

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cvheciket mvn vcvcolvtēt owēs. M-hm. Uh
is where I was born and grew up. M-hm. Uh

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Mv ohrolopē ’stofat, ’stofv mahen ceheckvtēt owa? Ohrolopē cokpe-rakko hvmken
About what year, about when were you born? The year one thousand

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ostvpaken
nine

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pale-tuccēnohkakat. Oh, uh-huh.
thirty. Oh, uh-huh.

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Onkv mv pakset ’sohrolvpvhan’t owv? Ehe. Owē. Onkv vculkv, cem vculkv nvcowicvhancca?
So tomorrow is your birthday? Uh-huh. Wow! So you age, how old are you going to be?

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“Vculkv” kicvkot, “cem vculkv” kicetvn okis. Cenvpaken, cenvpaken,
I’m not saying “aged”, I meant to say “your age”. Eight, eight,

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ostvpaken, cenvpaken. Mvt ot os kowvyē[s].
nine, eight. That’s it, I think.

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Eighty-seven. Owē. O. Vcvculvhan’t os. Cenvpaken kolvpohkaken.
Eighty-seven. Wow. Oh. I’m going to be older. Eighty seven?

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Ehe. Mv te?
Uh-huh. Is that it?

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Ostvpa– Ehe. Yeah. Cenvpohkv– Mvt ot owv? Cenvpohkaken.
Nine– Uh-huh. Yeah. Eight– Is that it? Eight.

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O. Uh-huh. Onkv mvn
Oh. Uh-huh. So that

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mv Little tvlofuce fvccv kiccat, mvt
you said it was toward the town of Little,

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Seminole ofvt ont owv? Semvnole. Seminole County mont owēs. Ehe.
is it in the Seminole area? Seminole. It’s Seminole County. Uh-huh.

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Onkv mv tvlofofvn vpokatskēt owvmvte? Kot–No, mv tokot [ow]ē[s]. Tvlof, you know, eto–
So did you all live in town? Or–No, not that. The town, you know,

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eto-ofvn kihcvkē tis, hvyakpvtē tis. Lvpvtkē kic’t okhoyvntē? Ehe. Lvpvtkē ofvn. Uh-huh.
in the woods, as you would say, or prairie. Did they used to call it in the country? Uh-huh. In the country. Uh-huh.

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Mv tv, uh
And then, uh

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cencuko-hvmēcvlke mv vpokaccat, cecke ton, cerke ton, hvtą hopuetake nvcowen owakemvtē? Uh.
your family that lived there, your mother and your father, how many kids lived there? Uh.

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Mv etecąkkusat. Ostvpaken.
The close family. Nine.

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Ostvpaken mvt owvtētisen hokkol[at] pvsvtkēpvtē tis hiyowat,
There used to be nine of us, but two passed away, and now,

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hokkoluset puhoskēt ont o[s], ehe, mv hopuetake. Mv cēpvnvke nvcon’t owemvtē?
there are just two of us left, uh-huh, those children. How many boys were there?

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Cēpvnvket hokkolēt owēmvts–oh-oh, tuccēnēt owēmvts.
There were two boys–oh-oh, there were three.

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Cēpvnusēt cutkusēt ohrolopē hokko–hvmkicusē witvtēs, mvt sumkēpvtēt owēs. Mon mv hoktvke tv?
One little boy that was about two years old, might have been one, passed away. And how about the girls?

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Hoktvket–Nvcon’t owatskemvtē? Cenvpaket, cahkēpeyet owē witēs, hvmket sunkehpen mvo
The girls–How many of you all were there? Eight, it might have been five, one passed away also

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ohfullet hvtą hvmket sumkehpen,
as we went on, another would pass away,

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hiyowat, hokkolusēt puhoskēt on, hoktvke. Juanita ton– Juanita, mvt my sister, mvt.
now just two are left, women. Juanita and– Juanita, that’s my sister.

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Mvt estuce kihocē mvt owv?
Is she the one they call the baby of the family?

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Baby sister mv tokot owv? Mvt owē[s]. She’s the youngest one?
Isn’t she the baby sister? That’s right. She’s the youngest one?

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Juanitat mvt estucet owē[s]. O, my goodness. ’Stonkot os. Mvt estucet owemvts.
Juanita’s the baby. Oh, my goodness. That’s all right. She was the baby.

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Onkv mv mowē uh lvpvtke ofv onkat, eto-ofv vpokē ’cecolvkvtē, cerke ton, onkat cecke, estowaten vtotkēt owemvtē?
So when you lived in the country or woods and grew up, your father or your mother, which one worked?

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Uh, hokkolet vtotkvkekot owemvts.
Uh, neither one worked.

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Mvt cvck– cvrket mvt yeah, farmer kihocvnto, mvt owemvts. Nak lokce lokcicet. Uh-huh.
My moth–my father was what they used to call a farmer. He grew crops. Uh-huh.

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Vtotket nak cvpayēcet nak lokcvkicen
He worked and plowed and grew crops,

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mvn ’putotkihocen ’puculakvtēt owēs. O. Nake owvken lokcicēt owemvtē?
and he made us work as we were growing up. Oh. What kind of crops did he grow?

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Vce ton, tvlakon, vegetables kowvkat’n owakat. Owē. Mv cvpofv rakkēt owemvte? Ehe. Cvpofv rakkvkēt on.
Corn and beans, all the vegetables you can think of. Wow. Was it a big field? Uh-huh. The fields of them were big.

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Uh, nake tē? Hocefkvt naken?
Uh, what is it? What’s the name?

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Vegetables mvo ocet
He had vegetables, too

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Nak lane? Ehe. Tafvmpe owat tat? Pakpvkēu lokcicet, mvo.
Greens? Uh-huh. Like onions, too? He grew cotton, too.

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Kvmohtvlako owakateu lokcvkuecet owemvts. Owē. Vce ton. Mon mv tomato tv?
He grew peanuts and things, too. Wow. And corn. And what about tomatoes?

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Tomatoes mowakat, ehe.
Tomatoes and those things, uh-huh.

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Nak mowakat omvlkvn nak hompvkē tayat lokcvkuecet mvn ’saktēhet hericet. M-hm.
He would grow all the things you could eat, and we would can them and put them up. M-hm.

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Kvsappen owat mvn winter time orat mvn hompēt vpokēt owēmvts.
When it got cold and became winter time, we would eat and live there.

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Mon mv vpeswv vrahkv owat tv, mvo wakv tv, sukhv tv? Mvo sukhvo ocēt ont ehen wakvo mvn
And what about meats, the cattle, the pigs? Those too, we had pigs, and cattle

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wakvpesē kihocvnto mvn enkafaket, mv cvcertake tvlket mvt enkafaket owemvts.
what they used to call milk [cows], we would milk them, just my brothers would milk them.

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Mon mvt onkv mvt em vtotketvt owemvte? Ehe, mvt em vtotketvt owemvts.
Was that their chore? Uh-huh, that was their chore.

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Erkenvkvt owemvts hvtą. Uh-huh. O, cerket?
He was a minister, too. Uh-huh. Oh, your father?

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Cvrket erekenvkv hahket, mēkusvpkv-cuko owakat mvn vtothoyet, mvn
My father became a minister and would be sent to other churches,

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estemerkenaket hvtvm mvn nak vnickv owat, punhēcket owemvts. M-hm.
and preach for them, and we would receive some help. M-hm.

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Mvt cerke nake hocefkvt owemvtē? Uh, Buddy Little. O, Buddy Little. Ehe, Buddy Little mv cvrket owvtē[s].
What was your father’s name? Uh, Buddy Little. Oh, Buddy Little. Uh-huh, Buddy Little was my father.

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Erket mv Thomas Little hocefkvt owvtēt on, mvn tvlofuce Little mvn vhocefkvtēt ont kihocvnt. O, m-hm.
His father’s name was Thomas Little, and that little town of Little was named after him, they used to say. Oh, m-hm.

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Ehen cvpuse mvt Molly Yeager, Perryman Yeager.
My grandmother was Molly Yeager, Perryman Yeager.

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Mvt cvpuse, mvt erke ecket owemvts. Mon cecke tv?
That grandmother was my father’s mother. And what about your mother?

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Cvcket mvt Miller, Jackson Miller vyēcicat.
My mother was Miller, on the Jackson Miller side.

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Mvt Alice mvt cvcket owemvts.
Alice was my mother.

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Alice Miller? Alice Miller. Mvt cvcket owemvts. Ehen.
Alice Miller? Alice Miller. That was my mother.

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Mvt ’tecakkakateu mvn ocvkēt on.
They had siblings, too.

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Onkv mv tat mv Dawes Roll kicat, roll number ocakvtēt owemvte, hokkolvt, your parents?
So on what they call the Dawes Roll, did both your parents have a roll number?

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Cecke ton cerke ’tepakat. Uh-huh. Roll number kihocat.
Your mother and your father both. Uh-huh. What they call a roll number.

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No, I mean on the roll number?
No, I mean on the roll number?

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Mv ’te-cate em vhvnkvtkv. O, roll number, ehe.
The enrollment number. Oh, roll number, uh-huh.

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Mv ocvkēt owemvte? Ocvkēt owemvts. Omvlkvt, ehe. Mv ’tecakkakat omvlkvt, cvrkeu, matvpowēn ocēt owemvts.
Did they have one? They had them. All of them, uh-huh. All their siblings, my father, too, had the same.

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Onkv mv cvpofv hayemvts kiccat, mv, mvt
So you were saying when he farmed,

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ēkvnv emhoyvtē mvt owvthą? Alotted land? Uh-huh. Mvt owemvts. O, mvt owvthą? Uh-huh.
is that the land that was given to him? Alotted land? Yes, it was. Oh, so it was? Uh-huh.

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O, mvn oh-vpoket ’cecolvtēt owv? Yeah, mvn oh-vpoket ’pucolakvtēt [ow]ē[s].
Oh, you lived on that land and grew up there? Yeah, we all lived there and grew up there.

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Cuko hvm–Cuko hvmkusē, well, I mean room tuccēnusē. M-hm.
One house–One house, well, I mean just three rooms. M-hm.

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Mvn avtēhkēt ’pucolakvtēt [ow]ēs. O.
That’s where we stayed and grew up. Oh.

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Onkv mv cēpvnvke em vtotketv mv wakv tis enkafet kiccisē [kicetskisē], mv centv, hoktvke naket cem vtutketvt owvkemvtē?
So the boys’ chores you said was to milk the cows, and what about you, what were the girls’ chores?

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Uh, mvn.
Oh.

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Mv kerraket ’colvkvhanat pukicet pumvhahǫyēt owemvt ok.
Things that they taught us and that you have to know growing up, they used to say.

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Cuko hvsvtēcet, pvlaknv hvtvm okkoskuecet cuko, kitchen-o, hvsvtkēn mahoken,
Clean the house, and wash dishes, and a clean kitchen, too, they say,

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mvt pum vtotketvt owemvts.
so those were our chores.

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Nak hvtą [ētv mv]o. Cvckeu cvfeknēt ąret hvtą em en– pum enokkehpen,
And other things, too. My mother used to be well and about, but she became sick,

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yv arthritis kihocvntot enhēckehpen enokkē hakehpen,
she got what they called arthritis and became more ill,

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omē mit nak vtotketvt omv̨lkvn mēcēt, nak ohkoskuecēt, accvkē okkoskuecēt. M-hm.
we were the ones that had to do all the work, like washing, washing clothes. M-hm.

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Yeah. Suk– nake tē?
Yeah. What is it?

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“Washboard” hocefkv cvhoses cē.
I forgot how to say “washboard”.

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’Sohporokvt ot owv? Uh-huh. Mvt ot owē witēs. Nak ’sohkoskuecēt fettvn uewv moricēt,
Is it “sohporokv”? Uh-huh. That’s probably it. We’d boil the water outside and do the wash,

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accvkē hvsvthicēt. Uh-huh.
we’d clean the clothes. Uh-huh.

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Mowat uh mvt ’sohporokv kiccat [kicetskat], ocvyēt owēs. ’Svtvhanvyvtē tat owēs. Ehe. “Yvn oks” makvhanvyvtēs. M-hm.
That washboard you’re talking about, I have one. I should have brought it. Uh-huh. “This is what she means,” I’d have said. M-hm.

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Mowēn nak okkoskuecēt, ’tem vnicēt, ohkoskuecēt, hvsvthicēt owemvts. M-hm.
That’s how we washed things, helping each other, washing, cleaning. M-hm.

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Onkv mv accvkē ohkoskueckv nettv estofvn okkosaccēt owemvtē?
So wash day, when did you all do wash?

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Uh, Tvcakuce ofvn okkoskuecēt owemvts. O, uh-huh.
Uh, we washed on Sunday. Oh, uh-huh.

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Onkv mv ’lehayv rąkrąkat mvn ocatsket owemvte?
So did you have one of those great big kettles?

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Ehe, mvn ocvyēt ont, hokkolen mvn owv mvn fettvn totkv hayet, enhahoyicēt. M-hm.
Uh-huh, I had that, two of them with water, we’d make a fire outside and heated them up. M-hm.

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Morkuecēt. Uh-huh.
Boiling it. Uh-huh.

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Mon mv ’sokkoskv tv? Kvpe owat onkat.
And what about the soap? How about the soap?

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Kvpeu mvo hayaket owemvts.
They made the soap, too.

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Cvcke mv, cvckuce owakat em vnicaks. ’Sokkoskv owat hayaket owemvts, hayaket.
My mother, my aunts would help. They made soap and such.

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Mv tv, hayetv kerretsket owv?
Do you know how to make it?

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Uh–Mv home-made soap kic’tv.
Uh–They call it home-make soap.

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Mv hayakvtē hēcit owemvtisen, hayvyvt-seks, vntat.
I used to see them make it, but I’ve never made it myself.

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Nak neha vcule hofone tis ocen on owat,
Old grease that’s been setting for a long time,

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nak hvtą mowakat eshahic’t ohoyet owemvts.
that’s how they used to make those kinds of things.

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Kvpe vpayet. Uh-huh.
Adding the lye. Uh-huh.

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Mont on mv hēcvkat lanvkē owēt ont on, mv neha ’sakmorkē owvtē? Uh-huh. Mvn owakvtēt owv? Uh-huh.
So when you look at it, was it sort of yellowish, because of the boiled grease? Uh-huh. That’s what they used? Uh-huh.

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Hēcēn vhahihocēt owemvts.
We saw them when they made them.

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Mvt hę̄ret ’stehvsvtēcēt os kihocēt os. Uh-huh.
They say that it really cleans you well. Uh-huh.

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Mowis ’sterofē witvtēs. You know, ’terofē witvtēs. Mowusēt owēs.
But it probably will rub you raw. You know, it burns you. It surely does.

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Onkv mvn, nak lokcicet mvn wiyet
So you all grew things and sold it

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uh nake tē?–toknawuce estowusis enhēcken mvn, hvtą erkenvkv mvn em vnihocat mvn. Uh-huh.
uh–what is it?–that’s how you he received a little money, and they also helped him when he preached. Uh-huh.

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Hvtą cvstvlē lokcicēt owemvts.
He also grew watermelons.

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Cvstvlē, nak fvmēcuce kihocvnto mvo lokcicet, tomatoes
Watermelons, what they called canteloupe, too, he grew, and tomatoes,

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and cvckeu pumpkins lokcicēt on wiyēt owemvts, mvo.
and my mother, too, would grow pumpkins and sold them, too.

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Hiyowat seko hakepēt onko? Hiyowat estit mēceko hakēpē ont os.
Now [the Indian pumpkin] has gotten scarce, hasn’t it? Now no one does that anymore.

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Penpvpkv nettv mvn hopoyet wikvyvnks. Uh-huh. Hvthvkē owat, mvn.
I looked for one for Thanksgiving and quit. Uh-huh. The ones that seem kind of white.

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Pakpvkeu hopoyēt.
We picked cotton, too.

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Onkv mv hę̄re-mahen mvn onayetskes, mv pohetv ’steyacēt owēt onkv, ’stowē vpoket, ’cecolakvtē mahokvnto.
So you’ve told us a lot, that’s what we like to hear, like how people lived and how they grew up, as they used to say.

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Onkv mv hvtą norickv owat mvo
And also cooking, too,

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hompetv noricetv mvo cemvhayakhoyen. Kerrēpimvtok, mvo.
you all were taught how to cook, and you all learned. And I learned that too.

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Pumvhahoyen kicat mvn cvcusvlke–cvcusvlk’t ot owv?–’svculicakatet mvt hompetv hayaket,
As you were saying, we were taught, my younger sisters–is it my younger sisters?–the older ones prepared the food,

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mv cvcket enokkē hakehpof, mvn hompetv hayaket,
when my mother became sick, they would cook the food,

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Juanita ’tepakeyēt mvn nak pvlaknv owat hvsvthicēt owēt owemvts.
and Juanita and I were the ones that washed the dishes and things.

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Owen mv hvtvm vtotketv kiceyat mv cēpvnvke mvo fayakēt owēmvte? M-hm, fayakēt owēmvts, mvo. O. Fayaket?
Then the chores we mentioned, did the boys go hunting? M-hm, they hunted, too. Oh. They hunted?

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Nake owen, mv tv?
Like for what?

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Nak cufe tis, eco tis,
Like rabbit, deer,

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fayaket resvlahokēt owemvts. Mvt cem ēkvnv mv vpokaccat mvt orēn sulkēt owen. Ehe, mvo.
they would hunt and bring them back. The land that you all lived on, there was plenty [of game]. Uh-huh, that too.

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Hompēt owēmvtisen. Uh-huh.
We ate well. Uh-huh.

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Mon mv kowikuce kihocat, “quail”, mv tv, hompatsket owemvte? Uh, pontat hompēkot owemvts. Ehe, mv tat.
And what they call the “quail”, did you all used to eat that, too? Uh, we didn’t eat those. Uh-huh, not those.

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Fayvkekot owemvts. Hę̄ret os mahoken. Uh-huh. Vntat
They didn’t hunt for those. They say it’s very good. Uh-huh.

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vncakēt os, herąkus kowvyēt os. Pvsvthoyvrē cvyacekot os. Hompeyvt-sekot os kowi[s], mvn.
As for me, I’m protective of those, I think they’re so pretty. I don’t like for them to be killed. I don’t think I’ve ever eaten them.

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Onkv–Cųtkakusēt.–Uh-huh, onkv mowusis hiyowat mvn herąken pum onayetskekv estowusis fekhonhohyēt
So–They’re so small.–Uh-huh, so now you’ve told us a lot of good things, so we’re going to stop a little while.

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owvrēs. Yeah. Hiyowat naken mowat ’stit ę̄ mēcakē hecēskot os. Uh-huh.
Yeah. Nowadays, you don’t ever see someone that is still doing that. Uh-huh.

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Hokvs cē. Hvtvm
Now then. Again

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’stowusat mvn opunvyēckv ocvkēt ont o[s], ohhvtvlakat
we have a few more things to talk about, in addition

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nake ’stonkon vpoket mvt
you all lived very well

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uh ’cecolakvtēt ont ont onayetskiskv, onkv mv hvtą akkopvnkv,
as you were growing up, you told us, and now again, like games,

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you know, ’towokusē tis hopuetaket oweyat akkopvnkv
you know, various ones that we played when we were children

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mvn “Akkopvnvks” pukihocen, akkopanet fullēt owemvts. Centv? Akkopvnkv estowat kerhoyetskv?
when we were children they would tell us “You all play”, and we would play. And you? Which games do you know?

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Uh, akkopvnkv tat, mv
Uh, the games,

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nak Drop the handkerchief makat tis, nuckucen
the one called Drop the handerkerchief,

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cv–hvmket ocēpvt’n owat, mvn ’rvwiket,
if one had the handkerchief, they’d throw it down,

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poloksē tak-vpok–taksapaklē ahēcēt, taksapaklē tohhecvkē taksapaklē hvmket
they would sit–stand in a circle facing each other, standing looking at each other, one

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nuckuce cahwet vfoklotket ąyet, ’stin enwikē tayen owat, aentak-ahyen, letiket vyēt’n [vyēpen] o stowis
would take a handkerchief and circle around, and whoever he wanted to drop the handkerchief by, he would, and that person would start running

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hvmket mv ientak-ahoyat, hecekot, huerēpen, hvmket hēcēn owat, encahwet,
if that one that’s standing there, if he doesn’t see it, then if another one sees it and picks it up,

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mv ’sv–’svyēpēt owēs, sv- ’svfoklotiket mv
and takes it, and goes around

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heceko huervtē
to where the one that didn’t see was standing,

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mvt ossēt ont owemvts. Uh-huh.
that one would be the one that would be out. Uh-huh.

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Onkv mv lētket ayeccof, mvn ecessēcet ohwen
So as you’re running, you would be chased

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mvn, mv vsohkvtē mvn huervhan’t onccehą? Uh-huh. Mowēt ont owv? Monkat, ’roreko monkis, cakkeccen owat,
and you’re going to stand in the space where he stood? Uh-huh. Is that how it is? And if he hasn’t gotten there and you catch him,

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vcelakcen owat, mv vlētkat,
if you touch him, the one running toward it

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ayvtē mvn

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osset owemvts. O, uh-huh. Onkv mvt
would be out [of the game]. Oh, uh-huh. So

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mowēt ąyen mv ’sosset vpę̄yen mv poloksat
as it kept going and several went out, the ones in the circle

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nvcowusē hakēt ont owē, mv te? Hvmkusē, hvmkusēt eshaket owemvts.
would get fewer? Just one, just one would be left.

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Uh-huh. Nake tē? London Bridge tis maket hvtą hoktē hokkolet
Uh-huh. What is it? They used to say London Bridge, too,

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’tehvlvthicēt, enke kvwvpkicet–Hiyowē owē–Ehe–hvmmowē–hiyowē sehoket
two girls would be holding each other’s hands raised up–Like this–Uh-huh–like this–both standing like this,

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London Bridge yvhikaket. Uh-huh. Lecv rvlak’n owat– Rapvnke ’rvlak’n owat, hvnkeu rossen ayen,
and they would sing London Bridge. Uh-huh. If they would come underneath– As one was coming behind, the one [in front] would go out,

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ohcēyen owat, mvt ossēt ont os. O, uh-huh. Mvn hvtą akkopanēt o[s].
when one is coming in, that one would go out. Oh, uh-huh. We used to play that.

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Mv hoktē nvrkvpv hueret onkat hvmket London Bridge tis owēt ok. Mowvkē nak akkopanet–
One girl would be standing [caught] in the middle like being under London Bridge. We played things like that–

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Nake ētvt ot owa?
What are the other ones?

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Hvtą

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Flying Dutchman tis makē owēt hvtą hokkolet matvpowēt mvo poloksē svpaklet hokkolet
And they would say Flying Dutchman again they would all stand in a circle, and two of them

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’tehvlvthicēt vfoklothoket, weląket hvmken–
would hold hands and go around, when one–

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’tehvlvthicē svpaklet [ow]ē[s]. Hiyowen en–tetac’n owat,
they would stand holding hands. If they break through like this,

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’tehvlvthicvtē enwarken owat, mvt ’tehvlvthicvtē, ’tehvlvthihcet,
if they break through the ones holding hands, the two that had been holding hands, would take each others hands,

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assēcak’t owemvts, mv hokkolē vhoyat tan, matvpowē tan
and would chase them, the two going ahead in the same way

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akkopvnkv owet, matvpowēt ocet on. Onkv mv mvo akkopvnąken, mvo, mv
it’s a game played the same. So those ones also keep playing that,

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’tehvlvthicakvtē mvo sulkē hakēt owemvte? Ehe.
they kept holding hands until there were a lot of them [pairs]? Uh-huh.

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Mowē uh akkopvnkv ocēt on, mvo– Mv tv, akkopvnkv herēt owemvte? Ehe. Akkopvnkv. Akkopvnkv ehe akkopanēt ont owemvts.
That’s another game to play–Was that a good game? Uh-huh. A game. A game we used to play.

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Akkopvnkv ’stowēt owakat,
However the games were played,

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akkopanēt fullēt owemvts. Mv, mont Red Light kiceyowēn, mv tv? Ehe. Taksahtet, you know,
we used to play them. How about the one called Red Light, what about that? Yes. You draw a line on the ground, you know,

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totk–uh, naket etucen ohwen ’staksahtet makeyowēt. Ehe, taksahtet. Uh-huh, mvn svpaklet,
uh, you use a little stick and draw a line on the ground, is what they used to say. Uh-huh, draw line on the ground. Uh-huh, and they stand th,ere

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hvnket ayet
one goes,

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mv light, the line ocat awvlvpik’t ayet, “Red light” hvmket mak’n owat,
and if he crosses where the line is, when one says “Red light”,

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vyakhvnkv mv fekhonnet, fekhonnet,
they suddenly stop, they stop,

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hvmkat “Green light” makof, hvtą ayet, mowē owēt akkopvnkv ocet. Onkv mv vpvlhvmkē mv svpaklaten mvt
when one says “Green light”, he goes again, it’s a game like that. So the ones that are standing on the other side

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cakketv kowaket ont owvtē? Ehe. Vcelaketv kowet. Ehe. Mowēt ont os.
are they the ones that try to catch them? Yes. They try to tag them. Yes. That’s right.

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Mon owat, mvn, ossicaket. Mowē ossicet akkopvnkv ocen…
If that happens, they would get him out. It was a game to get them out.

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Onkv mv, mowē akkopanat nekēhoyat mvt, “Green light” mak’n owat, mvt
So if they’re playing a gap like that, when they move and when they say “Green light”,

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mvn pefatēcet assēcet. Vpēyet. Owen “Red light” man omvlkvt fekhonnēcet. Mowēt ont owemvtē?
they would run and chase them. Going across. And then when they said “Red light”, all of them would stop. Is that how it was?

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Yeah. Mvt vmvloste-mahēt owemvts kowvyē[s]. Mvt, uh-huh. Mont centv, estowa akkopvnkv ceyacēt owemvtē?
Yeah. That was my favorite game, I think. That one, uh-huh. How about you? Which game did you like to play?

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Flying Dutchman? Flying Dutchman tawv. O, vneu mvn akkopvneyat pohvyvtē-sekot o[s], mv. Poheccekot owvtēt owv? Pohvyvtē-sekot o[s].
Flying Dutchman? Probably Flying Dutchman. Oh, if we played it, I never heard of that one. You never heard of it? I never heard of it.

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Akkopanēt owemvts, hvtą. O. Drop the handkerchief, hvtą mvn akkopvnetv cvyacēt owemvts. M-m.
We used to play it. Drop the handkerchief, I also like to play. M-hm.

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Mon mv, Rotten Egg tv?
And what about Rotten Egg?

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Custak-lekwe kicē, Rotten Egg? Mvn pohvyvtē-sekot os kowvyē[s].
They call it Rotten Egg? I’ve never heard of it, I think.

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Uh-huh, oh mv tak-vpoken, ’puetakuce, polokse mvo tak-vpoket on hiyowēt tak-vpoken, ohwen uh hvmket
Uh-huh, they used to sit on the ground, the children did, in a circle too, sitting like this, and then one person

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“Mvt owekvs” mahokvnton, ąyen mvt hvnket centis on owat, cekvn cenhvmmēcin,
would be chosen, and he goes around and picks one, and if it happens to be you, he’d go like this to your head [knocking].

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“What color?” makcen owat, cenwvswakvyē “catē” cekicin owat, “okcate” tis cekicin owat, mvn ohwen ąyen,
If you ask, “What color?”, if I whisper to you “red”, or “pink”, and so on,

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’stowēn mowen kihcin owet ’ste hvnket hvtą mvn ąyet,
I’m not sure how I said that, and then it went on to the next one,

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cenmēcof, “holattē” cekic’n owat, monccen hvmken mvn oh-ayet, owemvts kowvyē[s]. Oh. Mv cvhosētt os, mvo akkopvnvyvt-sekot os kowvyē[s].
and when he does that to you, if he says “blue”, you’d be that color and then it goes on, I think. Oh, I forget, I don’t think I’ve ever played that one either.

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Uh-huh. Owen hvtą, mvn, mvt ont owat sayoklaskepicet uh, ataklatken owat, mvt “Rotten Egg” kic’t okhoyeymvts. Mowē owē.
Uh-huh. And then they would take him by the arms and swing him, and if he falls, they used to call him a rotten egg.

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Mowisen– Akkopvnvyvt-sekot os kowvyē[s].
But– I don’t think I’ve ever played that.

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Mv mowē akkopaneyvtē mv exercise owēt owvtt owv? kowvyē[s]. Ena nekēyickv kihocat. It was exercises vrahkvt, nak mowat.
The way we played those, it was like exercise for us, I think. To move your body, is what they say. It was for exercise, that sort of thing.

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Mon mv hvtvm vsehkv owvkē mv pum onahǫyvnto, mv tv?
And again, what about the rules and things they used to tell us?

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Uh vsehkv uh
Uh rules uh

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you know, mv, nake tē? cukofv tis nak vhvoke hvokusē lik’n owat, cenke ropotticekot
you know, what is it? like if there’s a hole, don’t stick your finger through it

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–nake tē?–hąhkv enket ę̄ ropotticvrēs makē owēt ohhoyet, mv tv? Pohetskvt-seko? No, pohvyvt-seks kont kowvyē[s]. Uh-huh.
–what is it?–a monster would stick his finger back through, they used to say, how about that? Did you ever hear that? No, I never heard that, I think. Uh-huh.

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Mon mv oskē entacv ohmelletv tv?
How about pointing at a rainbow?

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Mv tv? Nak ’ston? Oskē entacv ohmellet. Oskē entacv hēceccen owat, vmellekot.
What about that? What? Pointing at a rainbow. If you see a rainbow, don’t point at it.

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Mahokēt owemvts. Uh-huh. Nak ’stowēs maket?
That’s what they used to say. Uh-huh. What did they say would happen?

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Nak ’stowē.
What now.

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Cenket eskopoknēs mak’t okhoyemvtē? Mvt mak’t okhoyemvts. Uh-huh. ’Stenke kopoknē hakēs kowvket. Mowēt on.
Did they say your finger would become crooked? That’s what they used to say. Uh-huh. They thought your finger got crooked. That’s it.

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Uh-huh. Cecokwvt eshiyowēcet.
Uh-huh. Your mouth would get like this.

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’svmelletv mēcekot mahokvtē[s]. Uh-huh. Nak ’stestowēs mahoken. M-hm. Vmellekot owē[s].
Don’t point with it, they used to say. Uh-huh. Something might happen to you, they’d say. M-hm. We don’t point at it.

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[–] Oh, mv pohvyvt-seks. Vmelletv mv mahokvnto mv ’tenkopoknēs kicēt.
Oh, I never heard that. So to point, you’re finger would get crooked, they said.

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Mon mv opv tis onkat uh
And if the hoot owl or uh

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’tekene owē tis ahak’n owat, mvo
horned owl hoots,

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asvhayekot owvccvs ’tekicet okhoyemvts. Mv tv? Pohetskvtēt owv? M-hm. Mvo.
they used to tell us not to imitate it. How about that? Have you heard that before? M-hm. That too.

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’Sohcopoksēs makē owē tis. Makakē owēt owemvts. Oh.
They would all swarm around, is kind of what they said. They used to say that.

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Mon hvtvm yopo–yomockat, mvo fotkekot,
How about when it’s night time, don’t whistle,

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fotkē vrekot–vretv tokot os ’stekihǫcēt owemvts. Mv tv? Mv pohvyēt owemvtes.
Don’t go around whistling, is what they used to tell us. How about that? I’ve heard that.

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Nake estowis mak’t okhowemvts kǫwakot o[s], mvo. M-hm. Kot, naket iestenfotkēs makē owet.
I don’t remember what they said it meant. M-hm. Or maybe they’d say that something would whistle back at you.

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Iestenfothokēs makē okēt okhoyemvts kowvyē[s]. M-hm.
They would whistle back at you is what they said, I think. M-hm.

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Mon mv hoktē hopuewv ocepvhanen owat, onkat hvmv
When a woman is going to have a child, or

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ēohhvtvlvyepvhan’t onkv, ’snvrkesēs kihocvnto, mv tv? Vsehkv ocēt ont owemvts. Mv tv kērretskv?
she’s going to add on to her family, so they would say she was pregnant, what about that? There were rules about that. Do you know about that?

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Topv tis atak–right way–
Like on the bed–right way–

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ohwakkekot, vtakhvkē ohwakkekot maket. M-hm. Make owēt. Hvtą
don’t lie on it, don’t lie sideways, they say. M-hm. They would say like that. Again,

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vsēhoyēt on, pohvyēt owemvts. M-hm. Mon mv eto–I mean, eto kic’t oki–vhvoke
I used to hear that rule. M-hm. And that tree–I mean, I said tree–door

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taktvnkat, I mean, nake tē? Entvphē owat nvrkvpv takhuerekot makēt okhoyemvts. Ehe, mvo takhuerekot maket.
the open space, I mean, what is it? They used to say not to stand in the doorway. Yes, they used to say not to stand there.

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M-hm. Hvtą–
M-hm. Also–

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Hvtą,
Also,

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’svmowvtēkē nocekot.
not to sleep too much.

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nǫcē onkot, mahok’ hvtą mv mahoken, ’puetake–hopuewv hēckvhanen owat, ’stenocen,
Don’t sleep and sleep, they’d say, and they’d tell us, children–when a baby is going to be born, we would drift off to sleep,

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netta
on that day

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cenyekcēt arēs makē okē ok onąyet okhos kowit owemvts. Uh-huh.
you might have a hard time [in labor], is why they were telling us, is what I thought. Uh-huh.

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Nockv ’sēenhoyvnecicekot mahoken. Oh, uh-huh.
Don’t sleep more than you should, they used to say. Oh, uh-huh.

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Mvn pohvyvt-seko[s]. Mvt tayen okhoyē witvtēs. Uh-huh. Nǫcet, ’stuce ocvhanat, nucę̄tt
I’ve never heard that. They were probably right. Uh-huh. Just sleeping, after she has the baby, she’ll always be sleeping,

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mowvhanekan okhoyvttos. Ehe. Onkv hvtvm mvo
they didn’t want her to do that, is what they meant. Yes. So again

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hvtvm mowētn owat mvo este herihocat mvo vrekot makē owēt okhoyvnts. Mvo vrekot mahoket.
we’re not to go to a funeral [when you’re pregnant], is what they used to say. That too, they tell us not to go.

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Mvo vsēhoyēt owemvts, mvo. “Hecekot” mak[aket], torof heckv tis mvo hecekot mahoken. M-hm.
That too was a rule. “Don’t look,” they said, during the viewing, don’t look, they said. M-hm.

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Mv hoktē mvn ę̄ esfeksumiket hvtvm–nake tē?–
That woman might be overcome, and–what is it?–

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este tis kerreko haket onko, mv? Este mowē hēc’n owat. Mowis ohwis kowak’t okvthą?
people lose consciousness, don’t they? If they see someone like that. I wonder if they thought it might happen like that?

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Mv hesak’tv tis entvcikēs, onkv enkocokinēs kont okhowvthą? Ehe.
Her breathing might be cut off and she’d be short on air, is that what they were thinking? Yes.

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Mv mowēn mahokvtēt.
That’s why they said that.

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Vsehkv kihocvnto. Mvn pohvyvt-seks kowvyē[s]. Oh, uh-huh. Mv feksomken owat, mv estuce mvo feksomkēs makē owēt okhoyemvton oki[s].
That was a rule they used to say. I’ve never heard that, I think. Oh, uh-huh. When she becomes overwhelmed, the baby would be overwhelmed as well, that’s sort of like what they used to say.

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M-hm.
M-hm.

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Vsehkv tis, vsehkv pohekot,
The rules, some don’t mind them,

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“’Stonhko tan okhos” makē onkot, vsehkv mahoken owat, em apohicet
don’t be saying that it will be okay, if they tell you a rule, listen to them,

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mvn cemvhayet okhoyēs mahokēt owemvts. M-hm.
they are teaching you, is what they used to say. M-hm.

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Tayen okhoyvtēt onko. Hueretv hēr’t owvtēs mahoket onkv. Monkv svmon mv,
They seem to have been right. It’s good to stand by those, is what they say.

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mowē mahǫkē onkot onvyekot ę̄ kerhoyēt ont owēkat tē, mowē pum vsēhǫyvtē, kerrepēt owekat tē?
And then they didn’t tell us over and over, we just knew those rules, didn’t we?

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Mv mowē makcat ker– ’stowusat kerhoyvt os cvkihǫcvtē[s]. Mvn
The things you’ve said, I know some about them because they told me.

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kerhoyēt owekvs pukont okhowvtēt ont owv? kowvyēt owē[s].
Didn’t they just want us to know these things?, I wonder.

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Cēmeu mv kerrepetskēt tat onkv, vneu estowusat kerhoyat onko? Uh-huh.
You knew all of this, too, and myself, I knew some, too, didn’t I? Uh-huh.

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Uh-huh. ’Ste omv̨lkv mv ’mvsehakhoyvtē mvn ēkerrvkēt owvt[ē]t os kowvyēt owēs.
Uh-huh. I think everyone knew of these rules within themselves.

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Onkv mv hvtvm–nake tē?– mv mēkusvpkv-cuko owēt onkat
And then again–what is it?–like the churches or

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cuko-rakko kihocē, stompdance kihocvnto, opvnkv owat, mv tv, ’stowan ’svlicēcakvtēt owē tē, cem estvlke?
grounds, what they used to call stompdance, dances and such, how about that, which one did your parents start from?

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Uh– Enhvteceskv owat, mv stompdance mvn
Uh–At first, that stompdance

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fullvtē, pohvkot owēmvtisen, heyv nak vcolakat mvt
I never heard that they went to that, but these elders

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fiddle dance makēt mvn ful’t ohot owemvts mak ohocet ful’t ohoyemvts. Mowistowis, ąyen ’tvn
used to go to the fiddle dances when they had them. But after a while,

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stompdance tis reshakētt owē witvtēs. Oh. Mvn kerrvkot owisen, mv cvrke tatē tat mvn fiddle dance makat mvn,
it may have turned into a stompdance. Oh. I don’t know, but when my later father would talk about the fiddle dance,

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hayēcēt on, opvn’t ǫhoyēt owemvts. Mv min fullet owemvts.
he played it [the fiddle], and they danced. That’s where we went.

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Mvt vn– ąyen cuko-rakko uh mvn akfulhoyē witvtē, cvcke tatē mvn, my aunt Buster Fife, mvt
As time went on they may have gone to a ground, but my late mother said that my aunt Buster Fife

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lucv ’sopanvlke hervkēt owemvts kihocēt owemvts. Oh, m-hm.
was very good at shaking shells. Oh, m-hm.

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Lucv ’sopanvlket owemvts kihocēt, mvn pohvyēt owemvts.
They were shell shakers, they said, that’s what I used to hear.

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Onkv mv cerke mv hayēckv kicat mv violin owen ’shayēckvt owēmvte?
So your father played what they call a fiddle, was it an instrument like a violin?

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Fiddle? Oh fiddle? Fiddle. Ehe, mvn fiddle. Opvnakateu
Fiddle? Oh fiddle? Fiddle. Yes, the fiddle. The way they danced,

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ohlik’tv hiyowēt on–yeah, ohlik’tv huerēt on,
a chair like this–yeah, a chair standing,

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chair reg–regular chair owat takhuericēt ont, hiyowēn uh yopvn svpaklet opvnak
a chair–they set a regular chair up, like this, and would stand behind it and dance

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hvtą, vfoklotēc’t owē witvtē[s]. Mowēt opvnkv mowen
and probably went around it. That’s the kind of dance

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opvnak’t owēt owemvts mahoken
that they danced, they said.

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Mvn ’punahoyen pohimvts. Onkv mv cerke ’stowēt hayēckv kerrēpvtē tē?
That’s what I heard them talk about. So how did your father learn how to play the fiddle?

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Oh, ę̄–
Oh, just–

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mvhahoyekon ēme tat, ēme tat ēenkerrētt owē witvtē[s]. Mv pohēpat. Ehe. Mvn vyēcicat. M-hm.
he wasn’t taught, he himself learned by himself. Or listening to it. Uh-huh. From then on. M-hm.

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Ąyen mv cvrke tatēt mvt erke sunkehpof,
As time went on, when my late father’s father passed away,

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ecke hvtą ’ste-hvtke min vpahken,
his mother married a white person,

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’te-cate em punvkv kerrekot vcolvtēt ont owisen, vculkv pale-ostvpakē o– mahen
and [my father] as raised not knowing the Seminole language, when he was about [fourteen?]

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punt ’te-cate em punvkv keriyet aret, erkenvkv hak’t owvtēs kihocvtēt on ar’t owemvts. M-hm, m-hm.
he learned our Seminole language and went on to become a preacher, they said. Oh, m-hm, m-hm.

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Erkenvkvt o hahket, mvt mēkusvpkv-cuko ’towat vyecihocen,
He also became a preacher and was sent to various churches,

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erkvnakē mvn mvn fųllēt ’puculakvtēt … M-hm.
he preached and we went with him and grew up. M-hm.

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Onkv mv mēkusvpkv-cuko min fulle-mahet? Ehe, mvn fullēt owemvts. Oh. Emonkusēt owv?
So you all mostly went to church instead? Yes, we went there. Oh. And still do?

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Emonkusēn fullatsket owv, hiyowat? Ehe, vpvl– well, vpvlwvt mvt fullekot ont owisen,
You still go now? Yes, the rest–well, the others don’t go, but

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my sister Juanita ’tepakeyat church welakē monkvt owēs.
my sister Juanita and I still go together.

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Mvt estowat uh mvn vsohkaccēt owv?
Which one are you members of?

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Estowaten mvn cencuko– cen mēkusvpkv-cuko– Mēkusvpkv-cuko Hecete mēkusvpkv-cuko mvn putak-vculahket owemvts.
Which one your family– your church– The church, we were raised in Hitchiti church.

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Oh. Mvn cvrk– cvpuca tatē Thomas Little mvn ’svlicēcvtēt owēs kihocvtēt on owemvts. Mvn ’svlicehcen. Oh.
Oh. My dad– my late grandpa Thomas Little was the one who started it, they used to say. He started it. Oh.

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Mvn welvkę̄pē monkvt owatskv? Ehe, mvn. Oh, mvn hę̄rēt owēs. Fųllē mvn akk-vculahken.
So you both still go there? Yes, there. Oh, that’s very good. We grew up going there.

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Mvn arvyē monkvt owēs. M-hm, m-hm.
I still go there. M-hm, m-hm.

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My sister mvt, uh Snake Creek church … Oh, mvn ayēt owv? Ehe, mv min vrę̄pēt owē[s].
My sister goes to that Snake Creek church. Oh, is that where she goes? Yes, she goes there instead.

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Oh. Vnt arvyē, Heceten arvyē monkvtēs. M-hm, m-hm.
Oh. I go, I still go to Hitchiti. M-hm, m-hm.

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Mvn vculus-mahat mvn ar’t owē witvyē[s]. Oh.
I may be the oldest one going there. Oh.

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Vcvhosket. Uh-huh. Ehe.
I’m the only one that’s left. Uh-huh. Yes.

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Onkv mv hvtą nak tis vccetv tis hayetv
And then other things like making quilts,

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onkat, nak tis konawv tis nak hahicet,
or like making beads,

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onkat nak tis vhayet onkat kerrepēt omhoyēt onkv, centv mv nak oceckēt owv, hobbies owat?
or other things like art that others know how to do, how about you, do you have any hobbies?

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Vccetvo hahicit, nak accvkē tis estowis hahicvyēt yv
I make quilts too, and I also make clothes.

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M-hm. Ribbon shirts tis mahok’n owat, hahicvyēt owit [ow]ē[s]. M-hm.
M-hm. I also make ribbon shirts if they ask for them. M-hm.

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Patchwork mowakat hahicvyēt owēs. Oh, mvo hayetskv?
I make things like patchwork, too. Oh, you make that too?

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Mvn cecke iesenkērretskemvte, kot estowē tis eskērreccemvte, mv?
Did you learn from your mother, or how did you learn that?

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Vne tat ę̄ kērrēt owimvts kowvyē[s]. Oh, ēmvhayēpat. Ēmvhayēpit, yeah. Oh, uh-huh.
I think I just learned by myself. Oh, teaching yourself. Teaching myself, yeah. Oh, uh-huh.

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Mv hahic’tv yekcēt os kowvyēt os. Ehe.
I think those are hard to make. Yes.

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Mowis vhoretv kerrvkot onkv. Ehe.
But I don’t know how to sew. Yes.

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Vne tat ę̄ ēvkerrihcosit, ēvkerricit. Oh.
I just thought about it myself and learned. Oh.

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Vhorkv cvyacēt o[s]. Uh-huh. Onkv mvn, mvn mēcēt’t taklikcet owv?
I like to sew. Uh-huh. So is that what you do while staying at home?

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Ehe, mvn mēcvyē monkvt [ow]ē[s], uh-huh. Oh, uh-huh.
Yes, I still do that, uh-huh. Oh, uh-huh.

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Netta omvlkvn?
Every day?

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Ehe. Oh, uh-huh.
Yes. Oh, uh-huh.

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Mv honnv tis hahicet hvtą mv ’soh-vccetv owat tv, yv?
Do you make like dresses or jackets, like this?

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Naken kihocēt ont owa, mv? Naket ot ont owa, “shawl”? “Shawl.”
What is it they call that? What is it, “shawl”? “Shawl.”

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Uh-huh, mvo hahiccet owv? Ehe, mvo hahicvyēt owēt [ow]ē[s].
Uh-huh, do you make those too? Yes, I make those too.

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Hahicvyēt ont o[wisen], hiyowat
I make them, but now

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arthritis cvnket vm esvkētt owisen. M-hm, m-hm.
I have arthritis in my hands now. M-hm, m-hm.

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Vhoretv tat mēcvyē monkvt [ow]ēs. M-hm, mm, m-hm.
But I still sew. M-hm, mm, m-hm.

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Onkv ’stǫwēsekot owvtt o[s]. Mvn kerrēpetskvtt owvcoks. Ehe.
So there was nothing wrong with that [teaching yourself]. That’s how you learned it. Yes.

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Onkv… Vhorkv cvyacēt onkv, vhorvyēt owēs. Uh-huh.
So… I like to sew, so I sew. Uh-huh.

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Onkv, hvtvm yvhiketv mvn mēkusvpkv-cuko ąret owetskvttiskv, mv
So those songs, since you have always attended church,

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“Yvhiketv hvmken yvhikvyēs” mahkeccekv, mvn yvhiketv
you said you might sing one song, that song,

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estowusat fēkahpet owetv ceyacv, kot hiyowat yvhikepetv ceyacv?
do you want to rest for a little bit, or do you want to sing it now?

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Hiyowat yvhikvyēs kowvyē[s]. Oh, uh-huh, “’Stǫwusekon yvhikvyēs” kiceccv? Ehe. Enka, owat. Yvhikepvs cē, onkv mvn, vpvlwv
I think I could sing now. Oh, uh-huh, were you saying to yourself, “I can sing no matter what”? Yes. Okay. Go ahead and sing,

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uh cem apohicaket onkv, mv, yv ‘punvkv ‘scencaweyat, ‘secehayet mēceyat, mvn, pohaket,
so the others can listen to you, like from this video of the language that we are recording of you,

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you know, “Yvhiket oks” cekowephoyanat mvn vrahkvt owēs.
you know, they will think, “She can really sing too,” and that’s what it’s for.

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Cvhoktahlet arit pale-hvmken ostvpohkaken vculkv vcohlit,
As I got older, I reached age nineteen [?],

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vm pvlse eshehcit, James Spencer mvt vm– vpahkit… M-hm.
I found my spouse, I married James Spencer. M-hm.

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mvn mvo, “Aretskekv” mahkvt [?] ’punvkv mvo ’te-cate em punvkv kerrekot vcolvtēt ont
He said “Since you’re going,” [?] but he was raised not knowing the language,

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ont owisen, yvhik’tv tat keriyet aret yvhik’tvt
but he learned how to sing songs,

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mvt em– enyvhik’tvt owemvts. Oh. Erkenvkv– mēkusvpkv-cuko erkenaket arat.
that was his song. Oh. When he preached at church.

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Mvn yvhikarēs. Uh-huh. Enka, owat. Hiyowat. Uh-huh, yvhikepvs.
I will sing that one. Uh-huh. Okay. Now. Uh-huh, go ahead and sing.

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Mēkusapē fullvnna,
Those who went about praying

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Cēsvs likan vpokēpēs.
Now live with Jesus.

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Mēkusapē fullvnna,
Those who went about praying

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Cēsvs likan vpokēpēs.
Now live with Jesus.

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Mēkusapvlke vpēyvnna,
Christians who went on

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’Roricvtet vpokēpēs.
Have arrived and are living there.

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Erkenakē fullvnna
Those who went about preaching

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Cēsvs likan vpokēpēs.
Now live with Jesus.

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Erkenakē fullvnna,
Those who went about preaching

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Cēsvs likan vpokēpēs.
Now live with Jesus.

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Erkenvkvlk’ vpēyvnna
Preachers who went on

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’Roricvtet vpokēpēs.
Have arrived and are living there.

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M-hm. Hę̄re-mahen yvhikēpecces, uh-huh.
M-hm. You sang very well, uh-huh.

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Mvn mapohic’tv hę̄rus. Mv yvhik’tvt on yvhiket, aret, sunkētt owemvts.
That’s good to listen to. That’s what he used to sing before he passed away.

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Mowēt mowē yvhikvtē mvn kę̄rrusetskē pohē–pohē–pohē owet mvn yvhiket owetskes. Uh-huh.
You know and heard just how he used to sing and you sang it that way. Uh-huh.

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Mowēt mv mēkusvpkv-ofv huervkat, uh mowēt yvhiketv tis yvhiket
When you’re active in church, you can sing those songs,

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mowetskē tayen owat, ’stekicet
and when they ask you if you can do it,

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uh vculkv nvcowen owēcicvk’n o estowisen
uh no matter how old you are,

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’stofvnkēn hekos makekot yvhiket kowet
you should never say no and try to sing

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mowvkvntok mvn, mvn hę̄ren yvhiket ’respoyēt owetskes.
as you usually do, and so you ended it by singing well.

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Hę̄re-mahes. Uh-huh.
Very good. Uh-huh.

343
00:35:19,348 –> 00:35:28,098
Hvtvm mvn, mvt cem pvlse enyvhiketvt owvtē mvt hvtą, pum onayetskat mvo, kerretv hę̄res.
And that was your husband’s song, as you’ve told us, that is good to know.

344
00:35:28,098 –> 00:35:36,985
Onkv… Hiyowat tat hok– tuccēnēt ostusēs yvhikat– yvhiketv kerrvkēt onkv, mēkusvpkv-cuko fulleyat. Oh.
So… Nowadays there are only three or four who know how to sing, at our church. Oh.

345
00:35:36,985 –> 00:35:39,273
Mv vtēkusē yvhikeyēt owēs. Uh-huh.
We are the only ones who sing. Uh-huh.

346
00:35:39,273 –> 00:35:43,010
Mowēt hvtvm este-herickv tis fulhoyat
Nowadays as we attend funerals

347
00:35:43,010 –> 00:35:46,623
hv̨nkusēt yvhikison, pohvyēt owēs.
sometimes we hear only one person singing.

348
00:35:46,623 –> 00:35:49,723
Vpvlwv yvhiketv pukerrąkuseko hakēpat,
The rest of us haven’t learned how to sing those songs,

349
00:35:49,723 –> 00:35:54,335
owēt o hēcvyēt owēs. Hiyowat yvhik’tv tat ę̄
I see that happening. Now the songs

350
00:35:54,335 –> 00:35:59,560
punsumkepvhanis ont owisen mvhayetv tat kowąkē hayet oweyisen. M-hm.
it seems that we are going to lose them, but they are still trying to teach them. M-hm.

351
00:35:59,560 –> 00:36:06,048
Nettv tat kerraket ocvhanis owes kowit, mvt vm vkerrickvt ont o[s]. Uh-huh, uh-huh.
There might be a day when they will learn it, is my thought. Uh-huh, uh-huh.

352
00:36:06,048 –> 00:36:14,810
Onkv mvn, mowē hę̄ren ’punvkv hvtą ’secehayet mēceyat, ’sepofvckēt os onkv,
So now we’ve recorded some good language and we’re happy about that, so

353
00:36:14,810 –> 00:36:18,135
mvto! mvtēkus kowis, uh. Oh, mvt [ow]ē te?
thank you! That’s all, I think, uh. Oh, is that it?

354
00:36:18,135 –> 00:36:21,335
Mowis, hvtą nak ētv onvyepetv ceyac’n owat,
But if you want to say anything else,

355
00:36:21,335 –> 00:36:28,523
Ehe. Owisen, monko? Ehe, ’ponvkv tat cvyacēt owētok.
Uh-huh. But, no? Uh-huh, I like to talk.

356
00:36:28,523 –> 00:36:33,548
Ehe. Onkv mvtēkusen ’respoyepeyvrēs. Oh, m-hm.
Uh-huh. So then we will end with that. Oh, m-hm.

357
00:36:33,548 –> 00:36:35,635
Onkv, mvto! M-hm.
So thank you! M-hm.

358
00:36:35,635 –> 00:36:39,023
Mvto. Hvtvm ’tehec– ’tehecvkvrēs. Ehe.
Thank you. We’ll see each other again. Yes.

359
00:36:39,023 –> 00:36:42,310
Hvtą. Mvtares. M-hm.
Again. It will happen. M-hm.