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Hokvs cē, hvtvm mucv-nettv mv etempo– vculvke etem vpoket, or
Okay then, today again, “Let’s sit and talk with the elders” or

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“Vculvke vpoket etem punahoyvkvrēs” makē vnkē mvn oh-vtalakat mēcvhan’t owēs.
“The elders will sit and we talk,” it was called, we’re going to continue doing that.

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Ohwen netta hę̄re-mahen pum pal’t ǫhon.
and we have been granted a nice day.

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Hiye-mahat tokekot ot ont owisen.
It’s not as hot.

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Mucv-nettv mvt yvt James Smith hocefkv mvt ‘tem punahoyvhan’t owēs.
Today, this one here is named James Smith, and we are going to talk with him.

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Hēsci. Hēscv!
Hello. Hello!

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Naken opunvyēcetv yacen owat,
Whatever he wants to talk about,

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onkat em pohin mvt ‘tem opunvyēcet kakēn pum apohicepvkvccvs.
or I’ll ask him, and we’ll sit and talk together, and welcome you all to listen to us.

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Onkv hę̄ren cencukopericēpeyat onkat punhvwēcetsken ‘tektvnkē ocēt,
We appreciate you allowing us the time to visit you,

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cencukopericēpeyat ‘sepofvckēt os. M-hm. Nak opunvkv herąken kowēt hvtą.
and we are happy to visit with you. M-hm. We are hoping for some good talk.

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Etem punahoyen naken pum onvyepetv tis ceyac’n owat, mvn
We are going to talk together and if you want to tell us something,

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mvo tektvnkusēt os.
you’re free to do that.

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Onkv hiyowat mvn cem estvlke mv estvmi fvccvn vwēt owa?
Your family, where were they from?

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Castle. O, Castle? M-hm.
Castle. Oh, Castle? M-hm.

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Este-cate mv, Semvnolē tok, kot onkat Mvskokvlk’t owa? Mvskokike. O, Mvskokvlke. Mvskokike.
Are y’all Seminole or Muscogee? Muscogee. Oh, Muscogee.

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Onkv mon mvt naket cerke ton cecke hocefhokvt owemvtē?
So then what were your father’s and mother’s names?

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Cvrke mvt Abe Smith. O.
My father was Abe Smith.

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Mom-vnkē Amanda Smith. Uh-huh.
And my late mom was Amanda Smith. Uh-huh.

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Mv tv, ‘stvmin vtēt owemvtē? Her maiden name owat mv?
And her, where was she from and what was her maiden name?

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Maiden name, Yahola. Yahola? Hvtec, hvtec!
Her maiden name was Yahola. Yahola? Wait, wait!

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Emaruce. O, Emaruce?
Emaruce. Oh, Emaruce?

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Epvwvt Akfvske mēkkot on. Sunday Yahola. O.
Her uncle was the mēkko at Okfuskee. Sunday Yahola. Oh.

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Yv, vm mamv, erk-vnkē: Dan Emaruce.
My mother’s late dad was Dan Emarthochee.

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Mv ecket, Linda Yahola Emaruce.
Her mama was Linda Yahola Emarthochee.

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Mon mv cerket mvt Smith vyēcicatt owakv?
And your dad went by Smith?

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Uh-huh. Uh-huh, mv tv, em estvlke cepoca tatē onkat?
Uh-huh. Uh-huh, and what about him, his people, or your late grandpa?

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Grandma tatē mvtēkusen kērris.
I just know my late grandma’s side.

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Cvrke eck-vnkē Maddie, Maddie Smith. O, Maddie? Oh.
My dad’s mother was Maddie, Maddie Smith. Oh, Maddie? Oh.

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O, onkv mvt owetskvcoks.
Oh, that’s it.

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Svmon mowat mv Smith kicat kerhoyē–kerrvke-mahvkot os.
I don’t know many Smiths.

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Owisen mv cenahvnkvlke hvtą,
But your kinfolks,

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cen–nake tē, mv?–
your–what is it?–

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vpvlwv fullat
the rest of them

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cenahvmkvlk’t owakēt witēs. Mvn kerhoyvyēt os, mv. Oh.
might be your kinfolks. I might know them. Oh.

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Cokv-heckv tis, fullēt mv ēte–‘tekerrēmvts.
I met a lot of them while going to school.

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Onkv mv hvtą mv cem vliketv kihocat, mv tv, naket owa?
So now, what they call your clan, how about that, what is your clan?

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Vntat Hvlpvtv. Hvlpvtv? O, vnet Wotkot owis.
I’m Alligator. Alligator? Oh, I’m Raccoon.

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Uh-huh. Hvlpvtv owetskvcoks. Onkv,
Uh-huh. So you are Alligator. So,

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mon mv, cem pētake tv? Mvt mvrahkvkēt owē tis, Lucy-t mvt?
how about your children? Theirs would change, because of Lucy?

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Ennvrkvpv, Mvskokike, Semvnolike. Uh-huh. O.
They’re half Muscogee and Seminole. Uh-huh. Oh.

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Pētake tuccenat. Uh-huh. Mv pētaket tuccenat tv, em vliketv naket owakv?
Three kids. Those three kids, what is their clan?

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Vhv Cvmpv. O, Vhv Cvmpv. O. Mv ’mvrahkēpet onko?
Sweet Potato. Oh, Sweet Potato. Oh. It changes, doesn’t it?

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Uh-huh, vnet mvt cvcket Wotkot owvtēt ont on, hoktvke pusulkēt ont on.
Uh-huh, myself, my mama was Raccoon, and there were a lot of us girls.

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Wotko vyecįcvrēs kont vkerricet owētisen,
I thought we would continue with the Raccoon clan,

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mv vn– vn–, uh, cvcertaket mvt hoktvke heckuecvkēt’n owat, mvo,
but if my brothers get wives,

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’mvrahkepvrēs kicit,
it will change, I tell them,

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cvyacekot ont owisen, mowepvhan’t owis kowet vkerricvyēt owēs.
I don’t like that, but that’s the way it is.

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Onkv mv mowēt mv Castle fvccv mvn,
And so toward Castle,

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uh, liket onkat cecutkusof, mvn vpoket ’cecolemvte?
uh, is where you lived when you were small, and you grew up there?

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mvn Castle mvn liketsket ‘cecolvtēt owv? Uh.
Castle, you grew up there?

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Ak-vcolvtē ‘ste kicēt owa? Yeah.
“Raised down there”: do people say that? Yeah.

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Okemah Lake mvn tempen cvhēckvtēt on. Uh-huh.
I was born near Okemah Lake. Uh-huh.

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Ak-vpoken high school vlicehcin,
I started high school down there,

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cvpvwvt cukon Castle hahyen,
and my uncle built a house in Castle,

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mvn aconeckēmvts. M-hm.
and we moved there. M-hm.

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O, onkv mvn mvhakv-cuko mvn ‘tvmimvn hēcetskvnkv? Mason. Mason? Oh, uh-huh.
Oh, so then what school did you go to? Mason. Mason? Oh, uh-huh.

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Onkv mv–nake tē?–mv cenfulletv owat, you know, onkv punfulletv kicakhą, mv?
So that–what is it?–your ways, you know, or do they say our ways?

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Vkvsvmkv ocekēt owēt onkv
They have their beliefs, so

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cecke ton cerke ‘tepakat, mv tv, cuko-rakko owat welaket owēt owemvte, onkat mēkusupkv-cuko?
did your mom and dad go to a ground or to church?

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Cvrke arat Akfvsken mv uh fullēt owemvts. Uh-huh. Cecket?
My father went to Okfuskee, and that’s where we went. Uh-huh. Your mom?

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Uh-huh, cvcke, hokkolen, cvrke. Uh-huh. O, hokkolen? Uh huh. Oh, uh huh.
My mom, my father, both. Oh, both of them? Uh-huh. Oh, uh-huh.

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Owis, mv tv, encuko-rakko mv, estowan cerke mvn arēt owvtēt owvtē?
Which ground was it your father used to go to?

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Akfvske. Akfvske? Mon cecke tv? Mata.
Okfuskee. Okfuskee? How about your mom? The same.

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O, matat? O, matat welaket mowēpvtēt ont os. Oh.
Oh, the same? Oh, they went to the same ground. Oh.

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Onkv mv cemvnettvhanēt aretskof, mvn
So then when you were a very young boy,

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‘scefulhoyekv ‘shomahtet onkv, ‘pvnkv owat tis aretskēt owemvte?
did they take you and did you learn to lead and dance?

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Akfvske, mvn? Uh-huh mvn mv fullēn,
at Okfuskee? Uh-huh, we went there,

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fourteen years old, oricen cvck-vnkē vnsunkehpen.
when I reached fourteen years, I lost my mom.

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Cvrke mvt enokketv-cuko vyehpen, Talihina. M-hm.
My dad went to the hospital at Talihina. M-hm.

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Mohwē[t] on, cvpvwv-vnkē, cvckuce entaklikakin.
As that happened, I stayed with my late uncle and aunt.

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Mowvt[ēt ow]vtē.
That’s what happened.

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Mohwē[t] on, church mvt fullet,
It seems that they went to church,

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vpēyēpekv, hvtvm mvn estak-arin. Uh-huh. Mowvt[ēt ow]vtē.
since they went, I went with them. Uh-huh. That’s what happened.

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Mv tv, mēkusvpkv-cuko estowan, mv tv, fullet owemvte?
Which church did they go to?

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Mv Prairie Springs Baptist Church. O, uh-huh.
Prairie Springs Baptist Church. Oh, uh-huh.

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Uh, mv ‘tv mahēt owat mvo kērris.
I know about where that is.

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Nake tē? este herihocat tis mvn fullēt owēt onkv, mvn
What is it ? Sometimes we go to funerals at that church,

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‘tv mah’t owat mvo kērris. Oh.
so I know about where it is. Oh.

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Monkv mv mēkusvpkv-cuko mv fullet onkv,
Since y’all went to church there,

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yvhiket owat tis onkat mv cuko-vfastvlke ennekēkv owat mvo ‘stowusat mvn cemvhahoyen,
did they teach you a little of the songs or the deacons’ work,

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onkat kerretskēt owēt owv?
or do you know?

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Prairie Springs mvn arin, mvhakv-cuko osiyit, Mason ossvyat.
I went to Prairie Springs and then left school, once I left Mason,

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’67, ’67-’68, Okmulgee Tech, mvn arin, hvtą mvn respohyit.
in ’67, ’67-’68, I went to Okmulgee Tech and finished there.

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September 15, ’68, hvtą soletawv mahohken hvtvm mvn ahyit,
September 15, of 68 I went into the military,

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1970-vnkē hvtą cuko rvlahkit.
then in 1970, I came home.

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Vtotketvn arit [ow]en, mv yohfulkvyvtē,
I was working, and then I went back,

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mv Okmulgee Tech arvyat,
Okmulgee Tech is where I went,

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June, one year, June ossvyat.
June, one year, June is when I left.

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August 5th, vtotketvn vnheciken, Tinker Air Force Base.
August 5th, I got a job at Tinker Air Force Base.

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Mvn arin hvte vlicēcin arin,
I had just started,

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September 15th cokv vntothoyen, soletawv hvtą mahohken.
September 15th, I got a letter to join the service again.

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Soletawvn ahyit, rvlakvyat,
I went into the service, and when I returned,

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May, 1970, the last part of June mahen hvtvm vtotketv yohfuliket mvn rohrin,
May, 1970, around the last part of June, I came back to where I used to work,

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that’s where I retired. Hmm. Ohrolopē hofonvhanet ‘stem vtotkeccvnkv, Tinker?
that’s where I retired. Hmm. Did you work many years at Tinker?

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Soletawv hokkolat ‘tepakat, almost 34 years.
Counting the two years I was a soldier, almost 34 years.

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M-hm. Onkv mv Vietnam kihocat mvt horre mvt em oketv accemvte? Uh-huh.
M-hm. So did you go during the Vietnam War? Uh-huh.

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Oh. Mvt hę̄rvcoks.
Oh. That sounds good.

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Mv estowaten, mv… Soletawv? M-hm. Army. Oh, Army? Uh-huh. Oh. Mvt hę̄rvtt os.
Which one, that… Soldier? M-hm. Army. Oh, Army? Uh-huh. Oh.That was good.

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‘Stonkon aret rvlahket? Uh-huh. Yes, vcohmerhoyen estowusekon rvlahkin. M-hm.
You made it through all right? Uh-huh. Yes, I was blessed, nothing happened and I came back. M-hm.

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Mon mv–nake tē?–uh
And–what is it?–uh

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esteherickv owat mvo hvtą
burials and such,

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nak, kerre-mahekot ont on, you know, este mvnettvke fullē owakat mv,
young people don’t know much about it,

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puntat pum onahoyvtē, estowusat kerrvkē owēt ont owisen mv,
some of us, they told us and we know a little about how to go about it,

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este sonkēs mahok’n owat, hvtvm, you know,
if somebody says someone passed away, you know,

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etetakueckv owat mvo, nvkvftaket fullet owēt ont os.
you have to get together and make arrangements.

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Owisen, mv hvtą uh mvnettakat kerrąkē-sekis owēt on mv,
But uh some of the young people don’t know how to go about it,

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you know, ‘stehopelkv mv wakkvhanat mvn kerrvkēt owēpekv onkat kerrakvntok,
you know, where the grave is going to be, or they’ll find out,

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owen ronayak’n owat, mvn korretv owat owet.
and tell them where [the grave] is to be dug.

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Mv tv, estofv mahen mv ēkvnv enhvwēcet onkat korrakvhanet owēt owa?
So how about that, about when do they open the ground or dig it?

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Or owētē? [Estofvn] owēt estowēt owa?
When do they do that?

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Mv nettv huerihocat, ‘stofvn mahoken owat mvn ‘senhvyatken,
When that day is decided, it would be the early morning of that day,

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korret vlicēcahket. M-hm. Mvn herihocat.
they will begin digging. M-hm. The day of the funeral.

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Mvn owat mvt onkat
And then when that happens,

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cukucen hayaken owat, nettv osten. M-hm. Mv ofvn cukucen ohhayet.
if they decide to build the house on the grave, four days. M-hm. Within that time, they build the grave house.

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Cukucen ha[ye]ccen owat, likę̄pen,
If you built a house, let it sit,

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letafken owat mvn, ‘sēnaoricekot,
if it tears up, don’t bother with it,

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mv ohmvhericekot, em mvn likę̄pen, letafken owat, mvn letvfkēt owēs.
don’t repair it, just let it be, if it fall down, just let it fall apart.

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Este sonkēpat,
When somebody dies

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tohahvwv ‘skvwvpetv em puetaket tokon,
to carry the coffin, this kids [of the deceased] shouldn’t do it,

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maybe nephews, or grandkids
Maybe nephews, or grandkids,

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mowakat mv mimv, erket sonkēt’n owat, eppucetake monko.
when something like that happens, if their father dies, his kids shouldn’t do it.

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Mowen ecket sonkēt’n owat mvo
Or if their mother dies, too,

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eppucetake, encēpvnvke monko.
her sons or boys shouldn’t do it.

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Hvtvm em vwulįcakusēt [ow]ē mv tis hvtą mēcakēt owv? Mv–nake tē?–
Even the close friends, do they do that? That–what is it?–

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ennaket, en-nephews owē tis oce-mahekot owat’n owat mv,
his relatives or his nephews, if he didn’t have them,

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mēkusvpkv-cuko vtēhkv owē tis ‘sēvnicakēt onko? Uh-huh.
couldn’t they ask the church members to help? Uh-huh.

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Hvnkat hvtą mv estowusat mvt ’mvwolicusēt owēt’n owat, cepvnē onkat–nake tē?–
If there was someone close to them, like a boy or–what is it?–

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en-nephews owat, enhessvlk’tis,
his nephews or his friends,

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you know, ‘ste kerrusē tis owvt[e]n owat mvo
you know, or the ones he knew,

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huericakis os kowvyēt owēs. Mv ‘stonkot onko, mowēpekv? Uh-huh.
can stand in, I think. Is it okay for them? Uh-huh.

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Mvt sons, eppucetake tat mvn catv matat ok. Oh, uh-huh.
The sons are the same blood. Oh, uh-huh.

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Grandsons mahokat, mv tat mvrahkvt ok. Catv mvrahkvt ok. Uh-huh. Mvn mēhocen.
What are called grandsons are different. The blood is not close. Uh-huh. They use them.

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Onkv mv netta hvtą mv mąhusat,
So on the actual day,

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mv este sonkēs mahok’n owat, mv nettv ‘sostat mahen mvn, ohwen
if you’ve heard that a person has passed away, about the fourth day,

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mvn herickvt onko, nettv ostat mvn. M-hm. Herickv.
that’s the funeral, isn’t it, on the fourth day. M-hm. The funeral.

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Onkv mv nettv hayątkusat mvn korrakēt ont owv, mvt hopelkv?
So do they dig that grave early on that day?

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Mv ennetta herihocat. Mv netta ‘sostat mvt ont owa? Uh-huh.
On the burial day. That’s on the fourth day? Uh-huh.

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Ohwen hvtvm uh vsehkv mahokvnto, mv
And now there’s a rule they used to say,

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um, mv netta ‘sostat rehomvn owvk[e]n owat, mvo herekot os mahokvnts, uh-huh.
um, if you do something before the fourth day, you’d get cautioned about it, uh-huh.

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Onkat, hvnkē enhuehkēpēts makē owēt okhoyemvts. Uh-huh.
Or, they used to say [the spirit of the deceased] will call for another. Uh-huh.

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Mvt vpoheccvtēt owv? Uh-huh, hvtvm mvt,
Have you heard that before? Uh-huh, and

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este akpikē korrakat, este akpiket, akhuerat ak-ossen owat,
the one that’s down there digging, someone’s down there, and when the one standing down there comes out,

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vhvmket, vhvmketv alatkat, mv herekot os mahoket o[s].
if he falls down suddenly, it’s not good, they say.

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Enhesaketv kocoknē hakēt o[s]. Oh.
His life is shortened. Oh.

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Korrē arate? Uh-huh. Oh. Owis mv netta homvn on owate?
The one that’s digging? Uh-huh. Oh. But it’s the day before?

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Kot netta ‘sostate? Ę̄ mv. Oh, mv. Korrakē. Oh, fullat.
Or the fourth day? It is. Oh, that one. The ones digging. Oh, the ones there.

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Aklikat ofvn lecvn oki[s]. Uh-huh.
The one down there below, I mean. Uh-huh.

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Ak-ossen owat, vhvmkv tis… Aklatket… Aklatken… Herekot owēs. Herekot os mahokē[s].
As he’s coming out, suddently… He falls down… He falls down… It’s not good. It’s not good, they say.

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Enhesaketv kocoknē hakvrēs mahoken.
His life will be shortened, they say.

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Onkv mv korrvlke omvlkvt kerrvkvhanē witēt owētok.
So hopefully all of grave diggers know about that.

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So ēvkvtēcvkēt owaket owv?
So do they watch out for themselves?

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You don’t know? Mucv-nettv estowētt os. Oh, hofonof tat. Mvn onahoyen owat. Uh-huh.
You don’t know? As of today, I don’t know how it is. Oh, a long time ago. If they still tell that. Uh-huh.

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Mvn okvyis, mowat vneu kerrvkatēs owis mvn.
That’s what I meant, I didn’t know things like that, either.

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Mowis nak omvlkv honvntaket mēcvkēt owēt onkv… Uh-huh. ‘Svpǫhēskos pukihocvnto.
But all that is what the men do, so… Uh-huh. “Don’t be asking so much,” is what they used to tell us [women].

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Owis, vne mvn kērrēt, pum puetake mvo ‘monayēt owvhanēt ok.
But I thought that if we knew all of this, we should be telling our children.

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Kerraket owvhanēs kont, you know, ‘svpēyvhan’t owēt ok kont,
So that they would know, you know, and carry it on,

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vpohkv hayit on, ont owin ohwen hvtą mv
that’s the reason I was asking questions.

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Vpvlwv apohicaket onkat yv hecakat,
All the others that listen and watch this,

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mvn onvyakemvt o[s] kowet kerrakvhan’t owēt ok kont ok okvyv.
so they will know that we told this and they will know, is why I was asking.

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Onkv mv cuko hayetv mvn hopelhohyen, netta ‘sostat mvn cuko ohhahicet owēt owv?
And then, to build the houses, after they’ve been buried, do they build them and put them on [the grave] on the fourth day?

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Mv netta ostat mv ofv. M-hm. Oh, uh-huh, oh, uh-huh.
Within the four days. M-hm. Oh, uh-huh, oh, uh-huh.

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Mv netta, yeah, within one to four days? Uh-huh. Within.
That day, yeah, within one to four days? Uh-huh. Within.

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Uh-huh. Oh, mvn kerrvkatēs, mvo.
Uh-huh. Oh, I didn’t know that either.

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‘Stowusat mahokat pohvyvt[ē]t owisen.
I’ve heard some talk about that.

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Owisen, mv hvtvm uh you know,
But then, you know,

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letvfke-mąhē enhakak’t os maket,
sometimes [the houses] start to fall apart, they say,

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hvtvm ’mvhericvhanēs mahokat pohvyēt owemvts.
and I’ve heard them say they’re going to repair it.

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Onkv mēcvkvhanekot ohą? Hunh-uh. Oh.
So it’s not supposed to be done? Hunh-uh. Oh.

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Ę̄ emonkvt likę̄pen, lekwepvhan’t ohą? Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Oh.
It just stays at it is until it falls apart? Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Oh.

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Mv cukoce ohhahoyat mahokat
Whenever they build that house, they say

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este tat pohakat nak ‘temvrahrvkvn pohaket onkv,
people hear different things, but

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nak estowen so hahoyvtē makat mahokat nak sulkēn wakkat
the one that’s laying there has gone through many things,

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osket, hetotet, kvsvppēt, mvn vrahkusēn mahoken. M-hm.
it rains, it snows, it’s cold, it’s for that very reason, they say. M-hm.

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en–mv mahoket pohimvts mvtēkus kērri[s].
I’m just heard them say that, that’s all I know.

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Kot hvtvm, em poyvfekcv mvt ’tvn lik’tv ocet vrvhanat owēs makē owēt okhoyis pohvyēt owemvts.
Or again, the spirit has to have a place to live as it goes about, they say, and I used to hear.

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Mv vhvokuce ocus owēt onko, mv enhvohvkē mēhocet onko? M-hm.
Doesn’t it have little openings, don’t they leave openings? M-hm.

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Nake tē? uh naken kicvkēt ont owa? mv
What is it? uh what do you call it?

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svtahē owēt mēcet onkat vhvokucosvkē owēt mēhocēt os.
they make it like a square or like little windows.

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Mahoken, hvtą,
That’s what they say and then,

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mv cuko ohlihocat, mv enhvokē hvsossv fvccvn vhēcēn owaket ont owa, mvo?
the house they put over it, do they put the opening facing toward the east?

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Hvtą cukuce hahoyat, hvtą accvke tis, accvtēt arvtē mvo ofvn hvtą
Now the house they’ve built, they put the clothes that he used to wear in there,

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ofvn mēhocet hvtą vhvokuce cutkusēn hahoyat,
they put them through there, and where they make a little window,

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kafe, encvmpēn owat, hvtą. Oh. Kafe.
coffee, if he liked that, too. Oh. Coffee.

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Mv rem pvlatet, hvtą res enlicet?
Like you sprinkle it, or do you leave it?

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Uh-huh, esketv owat, res enlicet hvtą,
Uh-huh, if it’s like to drink, just set it there, and also

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hompetv tis, nake hompetv,
food, something to eat,

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hvtvm mvo pvlaknv
and also plates.

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Ohwen hvtą ofvn im mēhocen.
And they place it inside for him.

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Oh, mvo kerrvkatēs, uh-huh.
Oh, I didn’t know that, either, uh-huh.

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Vnet–“Mvn okvyis” kicv, esletketv.
Myself–Oh, “That’s what I was talking about”, just saying, a motorcycle.

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Pomet mv, you know, cvrke ton, cvcke, cvcerwv owat mvt Eufaula fvccv mvn ‘slomhēt owēs.
For us, you know, my mom and dad, and my brother, are buried out toward Eufaula.

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Owat, mv tv, cuko ohhahiceyē-sekomvt ok. Oh.
But then we never did build houses for them. Oh.

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Mvn kerrēkok mowē witvtē[s].
We may not have known that.

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You know, mvn ę̄ pumvnettvkēt sonkētt owemvt ok.
You know, back then they died when we were young.

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Mis cvrket mvt uh 83 mak’t owvnk’t owisen, ’96 mv sonkētt owvnk’t owisen.
My father said he was 83, but he passed in ’96.

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Owat mvn, mv tv, “Cuko cvyacek’s. Lihkvkot ok” makemvt ok.
But he told us, “I don’t want a house. I won’t be living in it.”

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“Mvn owv?” kowit mēcēkomvt ok.
“Is that so?” I thought, and that’s why we didn’t do it.

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Mowis vkerricvyat, we should have kowit hvtą owit ont on oki[s].
But now that I think about it, maybe we should have, is what I think.

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Owisen, mvn ę̄ mv kiccisē, vkerrickv mvrahrvkēt owepēt onkv,
But as you were saying, we all have different thoughts,

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mv mowēt owat owē witē[s].
that’s probably the reason.

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Hvtvm mv ’ste rvhv owakat mvo
And like your older siblings, too,

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“Mowēt owēpvkvs” makaken owat, mvo hvtą
if they say, “Do it this way,” they also

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‘ste mvnettepē mvn ę̄, mvn kowvkēt onkv, mvn mowēt owēs.
just think we’re too young [to decide], that’s why.

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Onkv mv herąkes mv, mowē pum ona[ye]ccat mvo
So that’s good, the things you told us about

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kerre-mahvkot owvtē tan, mvn.
I didn’t know that much about.

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Mvn kērrē witēt ok kont “Mv cem poharēs” kowvyiset oki[s]. Mvt hę̄res.
I figured you would know about things like that, so that’s why I thought I would ask you about them. That’s good.

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Okay, hokvs cē, hvtvm estowusat uh, fēkahpēkv,
Okay, now that we’ve rested a bit now,

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–nake tē?–mv, cuko-rakko punfulletv ton hvtvm mēkusvpkv-cuko fulletv owat,
–what is it?–we are going to talk about our ceremonial ground ways and also church customs.

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vcēwvnkē onkat ohrolopē hofonvnkē,
A long time ago or years back,

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‘stonkon pum estvlke fųllēt owvtēt owētisen, hvtą ąyen
our people were doing good attending [the grounds], but after a while

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mēkusvpkv-cuko min fullē haket owēt ot owen
they started to go to church instead

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–nake tē?–
–what is it?–

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vne owakat mvn cuko-rakko vretv owat kerrvkot owemvtt ont on,
myself and the others we didn’t know anything about going to ceremonial grounds,

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mvn yvt James mvt, hę̄ren vm onvyvhan’t os onkv, pum onvyvhan’t os, estowēt etemvrahrvkē owēt ont owis.
and then James is going to explain to me, he’s going to tell us, how they differ.

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Owisen, “Tayekot os” mahǫkēt owēmvtt ont owisen,
They used to say “That’s not right”, a long time ago,

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nak ‘stowen okhoyat’n owat, kont mvn pum onvyvrēs kont mvn vpohis.
but I was wondering why they would say that, that’s what I was wanting you to tell us.

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Onvyepvs cē.
Go ahead and tell it.

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Cuko-rakko mahokat pum estike [estvlke] fullvtē
The ceremonial ground that our people attended

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mvn fullen Hesaketv[mesē] vrakkuecakat tat em vyetv, totkv, heleswv,
they worshipped God there, his way, fire, medicine.

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moweyo[f], ohrolopē 19–1492-vnkē, Cokv-Rakko astvyēhocat,
as we did, in the year 19–1492, as they brought across the Bible,

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hvte monkē monken,
but before that happened,

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cuko-rakko fullat, Purke, ’Pohfvnkv, mvtēkusen kerraket fullen.
those at the ceremonial ground believed only in Our Father, the One Above Us [Creator].

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Cokv-Rakko atikat mvt moweyo[f],
When the Bible was brought over, when that happened,

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Jesus mv hocefkv Jesus vlakat, New Testament mahokat
when the name of Jesus, Jesus came over, in the New Testament,

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Jesus vlakat, mēkusvpkv-cuko mahket vlicēcat moweyo[f],
when [the mention of] Jesus came here, the discussion of churches started,

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Cokv-Rakko mucv-nettv cuko-rakko fullat
nowadays the Bible, those attending ceremonial grounds,

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’Pohfvnkv mvn [en]honret, mēkusvpkv-cuko yo
they believe in the One Above Us, and at the churches, too,

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’Pohfvnkv mvo [en]honret hvnkusēt ok, Purke.
they believe in the One Above Us, it’s just one, our Father.

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’Pohfvnkv, Hesaketvmesē, hvnkusēt os.
The One Above Us and God are the same.

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Hokkolv cuko rakko vrakkuecaket, vkvsvmaket,
Both of them, they respect the ceremonial ground and believe,

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mēkusvpkv-cuko yo mvo vrakkuecaket, vkvsvmaket,
and they also respect the churches and believe,

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cuko-rakko, estowēn enkērrvyat mvt
and the ceremonial ground, what I know about it,

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heleswv pum vpeswv vrahkv, pufēkeu okkosēt,
is medicine for our body, and it cleanses our hearts, too,

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mēkusvpkv-cuko yo, poyvfekcv ofv ‘teropottēt on,
and the church also, through the spirit,

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poyvfekcv ēmocvsēcēt mowet onkv
renews our spirit.

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Mucv-nettv, vn vnēmimv, vm etektvnvkueckv ocet fullvkvccē mahokvnkē
To this day, he had said, “Make a place for me as you go about”,

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Hesaketvmesē, Purke, ‘Pohfvnkv:
God, Our Father, the One Above Us:

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Hvmkusēt o[s], ‘Pohfvnkv, Hesaketvmesē.
There’s just one, the One Above Us, God.

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Monkv cuko-rakko roret, mēkusvpkv-cuko mvo roret, mont owisen, pome
So you attend the ceremonial ground, you go to church too, but us,

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este-catike [este-catvlke], mv min,
the Indians,

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nak tayekot os kont vkerricakēt o[s].
they think things are not being done right.

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Cokv-Rakkot okat, New Testament espokē, Jesus ’yefulkēpat mvn okat,
The Bible says, New Testament, at the end when Jesus is going back,

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“Go ye there, and teach all nations” maket o[s].
“Go ye there, and teach all nations”, it says.

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Monkv “‘Stvmį tis ‘stowis ahyet mvhayvs cē”, maketvt o[s].
So “Wherever you go, you go and teach,” it what he said.

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Mont owen, Cokv-Rakko, yv enlikat atikvtēt on.
So that’s why the Bible, the one here came over.

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Atikofvn, pumvhahoyvtēt on.
When it came over, we were taught those ways.

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Cuko-rakko fullat em enhonrkv ocakēt [ow]ēs.
The people that go to ceremonial grounds have their beliefs.

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Mēkusvpkv-cuko o mvo fullet mvo em enhonrkv ocvkēt o[s].
The people that go to church also have their beliefs.

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Mont owisen, ētat “Tayekos” kont mvo vkerricaket o[s].
But it’s the others that think “It isn’t right.”

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Ētik [ētvlke] yo estonkot os mahoken, cuko-rakko, mēkusvpkv-cuko arat vpēyet,
Others say it’s fine to go to the ground and church

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hvtvm yv mēkusvpkv-cuko yo, cuko-rakko mvo ayet estonkot os mahoken.
they say it’s fine to go to church and to ceremonial ground.

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Hvmkusēt os mahokēt on.
There’s only one [God], they say.

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Vnt, hokkolen arvyēt o[s].
Me, I go to both.

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Cuko-rakkon arvyēt, mēkusvpkv-cuko arvyēt,
I go to ground and I go to church.

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Hesaketv[mesē] hvmkusēt on, ‘Pohfvnkv hvmkusēt on.
There’s only one God, only one Creator.

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mi rorat vrakkuecit, heyvo vrakkuecit on.
I respect him there, and I respect him here too.

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Mucv-nettv yvo,
Today as well,

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este ēmeu cuko-rakkon ayen owat, mēkusvpkv-cuko este fullat “Tayekot os” mahokēt o[s].
If another person goes to the ground, the church people say “It’s not right.”

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Totkv hvpalofket vrakkuecat, ‘tenokricv oket ok mahokēt ont os.
If a person goes around the fire and respects it, it means the devil, they say.

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Monkot o[s]. Hesaketvmesēt nak omv̨lkvn hayvtēt onkv.
It’s not so. Because God made everything.

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Cuko-rakko yo.
At the stompgrounds as well,

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estet mēkusvpkvn ar’n owat,
if a person goes to church,

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mvo, matapowusēn mvo mahoken, “Tayekot os.”
they say the same thing, “That’s not right.”

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“Estowen vrvhancca?” mahokvtēt o[s].
“Which one are you going to abide by?” that’s what always say.

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Este vkerricakat,
When people think about it,

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people think there’s two gods.
people think there’s two gods.

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One at the church, one at the ground. Huh-uh.
One at the church, one at the ground. Huh-uh.

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Hvmkusēt o[s].
There’s just one.

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‘Pohfvnkv, Hesaketvmesē hvmkusēt o[s].
The One Above Us and God are one.

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Ę̄ ’roreccen owat, vrakkuecet, ę̄ ’roreccen owat, mvo vrakkuececcet,
When you get there, you’re respecting–when you get there you’re respecting it, too,

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mis
but

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cēmē ma, cem vkerrickv, cemē ma, cemē mit ēhesayēcvhan’t oncces.
it’s you, it’s your thoughts, it’s you yourself who has to save yourself.

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Onkv… nak onvyetv nak sulkēt oc’t owētisen,
So…there are a lot of other things to say,

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yv vtēkus makit.
but that’s all I have to say.

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M-hm. Mv hę̄re-mahes, mv mowet onayetskat mvn
M-hm. That’s very good, the way you told us,

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em etehoskvkēt on owat, mvn,
and if they are confused,

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min vyecceko tat os onkat, vsi min a[ye]t oweccē tat os,
you don’t need to go that way, or you can go the other way,

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este kįcak’n owat mvn,
if they keep telling people that,

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enhesaketv ensomecicvkē tayēt ont os.
you can make them lose their soul.

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Hvtą, enpoyvfekcv kowet vkerricvkēt owēt owēs.
And they’re just thinking about their spirit.

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Mowisen ‘stowaten mvn em vkvsvmkvt yacēt’n owat, onkat estowatet enhę̄ren owat,
When they make a choice, whichever one they’re comfortable with,

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ēme mąhusat owēpēs kont vkerricvkēt owētes, cause pum estvlke mv kiceccat.
we think it’s up to them to make the choice, cause that’s what you tell our people.

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Vculvke fųllvtē mvn
When people were around a long time ago,

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kerrąkē sekot mvn mowēt fullę̄t owvtēt mv enfulletv owvtēt ok kont vkerricvkēt owēt ont os,
they didn’t know anything else but to go with their ways, is how we think about it,

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este-catet owēpeyat.
those of us who are Native.

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Onkv hę̄re-mahet mvn onahyetskes.
So you really told us some good things.

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Onkv mv hvtvm uh–nake tē?–mv opvnkv owē ocąket ‘shvyvtkąket nettv oste–I mean, uh
And again–what is it?–they have had all their four all-night dances–I mean, uh

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‘pvnkv ostē, ocvkēt’n owat, mv rvfo hakvhanē [ow]of, mv,
if they have completed four dances, when it’s close to winter,

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Fiddle dance hvtą ocēt fullēpēt owemvts maket onahoyen pohvyēt owvnk[s].
they had fiddle dances, I used to hear that.

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Mv tv, nake vrahkvt owvtēt owa?
What was the purpose of that?

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Uh
Uh

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Afvcketvt owetvt owē witē?
Was it maybe to celebrate?

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Afvcketv, ‘shvyvtketv cuko-rakko mvn fullēn,
To celebrate, we have been attending all-nighters at the ceremonial ground,

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meskē hoyanen owat, rvfo orat hvtvm mv hayēckv,
and when summer is over, when it’s getting to be winter, that fiddle,

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hayēckv-pvnkvn hvtvm mahohket, hvtvm mvn vlicēcahket,
fiddle-dance, they also say, they would start to have those too.

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hvtvm fullēt owemvts. Uh
they would go to those, too. Uh

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Late 1970s-vnkē mv mahen oren,
Late in the 1970s, around then,

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wikakvtēt owē[s], yv fvccv Seminole County.
they quit, over this way in Seminole County.

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Mvn onkv mucv-nettv
So nowadays

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Okmulgee hvtą mv fullēt owē[s].
they go to Okmulgee.

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uh
uh

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Hayēckv-pvnkv hvtą mvn vlicēcet hvtą fullēt.
They started up the fiddle dances there again and are going again.

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Mv estowusen kērrvyat mvhayakē hayin fullēt owē[s], mvn ’panē hayit,
I try to teach them the little I know, I try to dance,

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‘tepolicēt,
and we laugh at each other,

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hvtvm mv fullēn or’t o[s].
and that’s what we’ve been doing since then until now.

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Onkv mv tat ę̄ mv etohkvlkusēt mvt ohrolopē, I mean,
So then that’s what they do, gather together in that year, I mean,

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‘pvnaket fųllat’n owestowisen, mv ‘shayvtketv owat okit, cuko-rakko owen, onkv mvn
they would have danced all-nighters at the ground, so

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‘retohkvlketv onkat ‘tencukoperickv owen, onkat ‘retohkvlket, you know,
did they gather together or visit people, or gather, you know,

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‘tenpunahoyēpet afvckaket fullę̄pvhanat vrahkvt mvn ‘pvnak’t owēt owv?
is it to visit and celebrate together, is that why they dance?

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Yv fiddle dance kic[ec]cat, you know, ę̄ mv rvfot ok.
The fiddle dance you mentioned, you know, since it’s winter time.

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Mvn ę̄ nak ‘stowetv, onkat fulletv eyacat mvn
They wanted to have something to do or to go to,

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‘retohkvlket ‘pvnaket afvckak’t fullet ont owa? Uh-huh, mv. Oh.
so that’s why they would get together and dance? Uh-huh, that’s right. Oh.

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‘Pvnaket,
They dance,

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cukopericaket, ‘tem punahoyet, ‘tekerraket, hvtą hompēt.
they visit and talk with one another, and get to know each other, and eat.

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333
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uh
uh

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Vwahēn owat, hvtvm monkat mvo mēkusvpkv yvhihket,
When we dismiss, we also sing a hymn,

335
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mēkusahpet vwahēt owē[s]. Oh, uh-huh.
and then we make a prayer and dismiss. Oh, uh-huh.

336
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Onkv mv nettv mv tv, eskerkēt owakēt owv? Oh.
Is it a special day when they do all this? Oh.

337
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Nettv eskerkēt owen, onkat ‘tvcak yoksv?
Is on a certain day, or is it on the weekend?

338
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Onkv mv–nake tē?–hayēckv-pvnkv kicetsken, mvn
So that–what is it?–the fiddle dance you were talking about,

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hofonnē mvn ‘pvnaket ‘svwepēt owv? Uh-huh.
did they dance a long time ago? Uh-huh.

340
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Mv fiddle dance kicat. Uh-huh. Oh.
The one called the fiddle dance. Uh-huh. Oh.

341
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Ohwen ąyen, mv vculvke pokēpet hvtą hayēcvlke owat,
Then as time went on, the elders passed away, and the musicians,

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mv fiddle hayēcvlke pokēpat, mvn ehosvkē owēt onkat wikvkēpemvte?
those fiddle players passed away, did they just forget about it or did they quit?

343
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Kot ocakē monkvt owv, hiyowat?
Or do they still have them now?

344
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Hayēckv-pvnkv mahokat hvte arvyē cvcutkusē arvyof, ę̄ yv fvccv Okfuskee county vm estike [emestvlke] ak-vpokeyat,
This fiddle dance they call it, when I was little and was going, down in my area where my family lived, Okfuskee county,

345
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mvn ‘pvnaket fullet hēcimvt[s].
I used to see them dance there.

346
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Hvtvm onkat avcvcolat teenager, cvhahket.
As I grew up, I became a teenager,

347
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hvtą onkat vlicēcahken, hvtą fullet estowusen ‘pahnē wihket.
and they started up again, had a few dances, and quit dancing.

348
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Yv Seminole county vlakvyat, Lucy ‘tepakeyat ’71 enkē [vnkē]
When I came here to Seminole county Lucy and I got together in ’71,

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mv Gar Creek fullat, mv rvfo orat hvtvm onkat hayēckv-pvnkv vlicēcaket mv fullen,
they started a fiddle dance again at Gar Creek in the fall,

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oh uh Fixico
oh uh Fixico

351
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352
00:28:26,637 –> 00:28:36,036
oh, Tamat os kowi, Tama Fixico mvn hayēckv mvn hayēcēt owē mvn fullēn.
oh, Tama, I think it was, Tama Fixico was the one that played fiddle, and we went.

353
00:28:36,036 –> 00:28:41,301
Hvtą ‘ste ’cak-arin, vsin a takhueren,
I had gone with someone and he was standing there across the room,

354
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late ’70s enkē [vnkē] mv wihokvtē, yv fvccv Seminole county,
in the late 70s, they quit, here in Seminole county,

355
00:28:48,126 –> 00:28:53,463
hvtvm onkvt, oh, about three, three years mahen,
then again in oh, about three, three years,

356
00:28:53,463 –> 00:29:00,602
Okmulgee, Muskogee fullen hvtvm vlicēcahket, hvtvm
they started up again in Okmulgee and Muskogee,

357
00:29:00,602 –> 00:29:06,611
hvtvm mvt, mvn vretvn hvtą vlicēc’t owvyvnks.
and that’s where I started going again.

358
00:29:06,638 –> 00:29:12,147
Mucv-nettv hiyowat mvhayakvyat fullēt owē[s]. Uh-huh.
Nowadays I try to teach them and we still go. Uh-huh.

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Owis, mv tv, mv opunakē fullvtē mv mv hvyēckv-pvnkv kicat
But all of them that used to dance that fiddle dance,

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mv estvmimv eskerkusēn ‘pvnak’t owemvte, mv este encukon?
was there a special place they would danced, in someone’s home?

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Mv, yv hofonusēn. Mv ’70s vnkē vlak– vcak-vrakvyat,
A long time ago. In the ’70s, when I got here and would go with them,

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‘stit ’pvnkv ’yacen owat, encuko. Mahokvnton.
whoever wanted to have a dance, in their home. That’s what they would say.

363
00:29:37,073 –> 00:29:40,946
Hvtvm mvn fullēt owemvts.
That’s where we went.

364
00:29:40,946 –> 00:29:45,647
Owis mv hayēckv, mv fiddle enhayēckv mvtēkusēn?
But the music, was it just a fiddle music?

365
00:29:45,647 –> 00:29:48,029
Opunak’t owēt owv?
Is that what they danced to?

366
00:29:48,029 –> 00:29:49,493
Mv hayēckvn mv hvtą
That music,

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ohlik’tv hvtvm mon atakhueric’t on, esnvfkusē. Oh.
they would stand a chair up and tap on it. Oh.

368
00:29:54,116 –> 00:29:57,181
Hvtvm mvn mēcakēt owemvts.
That’s the way they did it.

369
00:29:57,181 –> 00:30:01,502
Onkv owisen yvt este-hvtke enpvnkv owen ‘pvnak’t owēt owv?
So then do they dance like white people’s dances?

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00:30:01,502 –> 00:30:07,923
Square dance owē owen? Oh.
Sort of like a square dance? Oh.

371
00:30:07,923 –> 00:30:12,914
Mv square dance mak’cen owat, kerre-mahvkot o[s].
That square dance you mentioned, I don’t know much about that.

372
00:30:12,914 –> 00:30:18,569
Onkv line dance kihocat, barn dance owēt owv? Barn dance?
So what they call a line dance, is it like a barn dance? Barn dance?

373
00:30:18,569 –> 00:30:22,718
Mv… Mv opvnkv estowēt ont owēt?
That… What kind of dance would it be?

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00:30:22,718 –> 00:30:25,709
Matvpomusē owē witēs. Oh.
It might be the same. Oh.

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Kot hvtą mv lvpotkē taksvpaklvntot,
Or the way they would stand straight in a line,

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‘tem ’pvnak’t owēt owv? Uh.
do they dance together? Uh.

377
00:30:32,417 –> 00:30:33,980
Pvlhvmkē hoktvke svpaklvnton. Oh, uh-huh.
The ladies would stand on one side. Oh, uh-huh.

378
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Pvlhvnkē honvntaket — mowē taksvpaklvnton. Oh.
The men would stand on the other side. Oh.

379
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Onkv vpelhoyet afvcket owet owv?
So they laugh and have a good time?

380
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Uh-huh, ‘tepvlicēt.
Uh-huh, we laugh at one another.

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Oh…mvn hecvyvt-sekot onkv, mvn pohvyvtē-sekot owēt on.
Oh….I have never seen it, or I’ve never heard of it.

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Mucv-nettv mv hayēckv hayēcv mvo,
Today, the musicians,

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‘ste-catike pokētt o[s]. ‘Stit hayēcekot [ow]ē[s].
the Indians [that used to play] are gone. No one can play it.

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Hvnkē mvn hayēckv hayēcat mvhayvt on, college,
The one that plays now is a teacher, at the college,

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teacher, mvhayvtok, out of state, mvn arēt owēt on, ǫmahusis ‘svlakēt owē[s].
a teacher, he’s a teacher, from out of state, and occasionally he shows up and brings his instruments.

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Mv ‘svlaken owat, estofvn mak’n owat, mv hvtą mvn ‘panē[t os]. Oh.
If he brings them whenever he says, we dance again. Oh.

387
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Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.

388
00:31:13,759 –> 00:31:18,579
Owisen mvt “‘Stencukon mvn ‘pvnak’t owvtēt owēs” makakēt ont owisen,
But they used to say, “We danced in someone’s home,” but

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onkat estimvt ‘tvn ‘pvnkvn ’yacen owat, kicet owakvtēt ont owisen,
if someone wanted to have a dance somewhere, they would say so, but

390
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hiyowat mvn, eskerkusēn hiyowat mvn ‘panet fullatsket owv?
now you all have to have a special time to go and dance?

391
00:31:27,808 –> 00:31:29,927
Mv vlic[ēc]eyat,
When we started,

392
00:31:29,927 –> 00:31:39,594
vlic[ēc]akat vsi Okmulgee tvlofv aklikat mv Creek’s Museum maket aklikat mvn vlicēc’t oweyvnk[s].
we got started down there in Okmulgee, down at the Creek Museum.

393
00:31:39,594 –> 00:31:45,659
“Tayēs” mahohken, oh-vtotkak’t owvcuken hvtą
“It’s okay,” they said, and they were going to be working on [the Museum].

394
00:31:45,659 –> 00:31:55,108
Vm vnicv, vnhesse Charlie, Charlie Harjo kicat mvn liket onkv, este oh– em punayet oh-vyetvn mv kerrēt onkv, hvtvm mvn
My assistant, my buddy Charlie, Charlie Harjo lives up there, so he knew who was in charge of it, and he talked to him, and again

395
00:31:55,108 –> 00:32:02,656
cuko hvtvm punheckuecvnks, vsi Okmulgee Creek Nation Golf Course,
he showed us a building, over there in Okmulgee Creek Nation Golf Course,

396
00:32:02,656 –> 00:32:06,593
mv cuko likat mvn hvtvm vlicēceyvnk[s].
and we started it again where that building is.

397
00:32:06,593 –> 00:32:09,584
Mv Elks Lodge kicē-isē mv mahet ǫhą? Elks Lodge?
Was it near what they called that Elks Lodge? Elks Lodge?

398
00:32:09,584 –> 00:32:12,595
Uh-huh, golf course. Oh, uh-huh.
Uh-huh, the golf course. Oh, uh-huh.

399
00:32:12,595 –> 00:32:22,599
Hvtą yv Creek Nation Saturday morning orat, parade ocat, hvtvm
And at Creek Nation, on that Saturday morning, during the parade they’re going to have,

400
00:32:22,599 –> 00:32:26,560
mvn fullēt.
we will be there.

401
00:32:26,560 –> 00:32:29,866
Mv yafkan mowē ta[ye]n owat,
That evening, if possible,

402
00:32:29,866 –> 00:32:32,410
‘pvnvhan’t owē[s], hvtą. M-hm, oh.
we are going to dance again. M-hm, oh.

403
00:32:32,410 –> 00:32:36,104
Uh-huh, mv hecetv hę̄rē witēs kowvyist oki[s], mowē mahokat,
It would be a good thing to watch, as planned.

404
00:32:36,104 –> 00:32:39,799
Vrvyvtē-sekot owētt on okis, estowēt owakvtētē kont.
I’ve never been to one, so I was wondering how it was done.

405
00:32:39,799 –> 00:32:42,513
Mv hvtą este-cate vlsvkēt onkv,
You know how Indians are bashful,

406
00:32:42,513 –> 00:32:48,423
‘pvnetv kowet asvpaklet, ‘pvnak’t owētē kont vkerric’t ont owvyi[s]. Uh-huh.
to get up and dance, and I was just thinking about they would dance. Uh-huh.

407
00:32:48,423 –> 00:32:54,519
Onkv mv, yeah hę̄re-mahet mvn nanvke sulkē pum onvyehpetskes owisen
So you’ve told us a lot of good things, but

408
00:32:54,519 –> 00:32:58,571
nake ētv opunvyēc’tv oceccekon owat, hiyowat mvn,
if you don’t have anything else to say now,

409
00:32:58,571 –> 00:33:03,660
fekhonnēpē witēs owisen, nak onvyetv oc[ec]cen owat, mvo
we could stop, but if you have something else to tell,

410
00:33:03,660 –> 00:33:07,835
estonkot owēs.
that’s fine too.

411
00:33:07,835 –> 00:33:10,227
Monkot os kowi[s].
I guess not.

412
00:33:10,227 –> 00:33:14,666
Ocisen, laksv tikus [tvlkus]. Oh, laksetv tvlkusat, uh-huh.
I do, but they’re just bunch of lies. Oh, just lies, uh-huh.

413
00:33:14,666 –> 00:33:19,672
Onkv mvtēkus’n owat, mvn hvtą yafket vyēpekv,
So if that’s all, it’s getting late in the day, so

414
00:33:19,672 –> 00:33:23,011
este hotosvkēpēt owēt onkv, mvn mvtēkusen.
and people get tired, so that’s all.

415
00:33:23,011 –> 00:33:33,010
Yeah. Mvto, mvto, James. Cenyicēpeyat ‘sepofvckēs. Mvto!
Yeah. Thank you, thank you, James. We’re happy to have visited you. Thank you!

416
00:33:33,010 –> 00:33:34,944

417
00:33:34,944 –> 00:33:35,945

418
00:33:35,945 –> 00:33:36,946

419
00:33:36,946 –> 00:33:38,568

420
00:33:38,568 –> 00:33:47,228

421
00:33:47,228 –> 00:33:55,732

422
00:33:55,732 –> 00:34:00,807

423
00:34:00,807 –> 00:34:09,022

424
00:34:09,022 –> 00:34:15,851