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Mucv-nettv hę̄ren nettv hvtvm pumpvlhoyen,
Today we’ve been given a good day again,
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yv 2016 meskē,
it’s the summer of 2016,
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Jack Martin kihocē hvtvm
the one called Jack Martin,
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‘punvkv escvwepickv owat ‘sepuhayet mēcetv mvn em vtotkē monket owēttont on, mv hvtą
to make an audio and video recording of the conversation and we’re still working with him,
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‘punvkv cvwepicet ‘sēvnicet este-Semvnole, este-Maskokvlke, onkat ‘ste-cate omvlkat owaccat,
it will help us record the language as people talk, those of you who are Seminole or Maskoke, or all of you who are Native,
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kerrēpit kowatsket ‘sēvnicet svpaklvkvccvs kowēt mvn
with the hopes that you will keep using them,
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pum pohen mvn ‘safvcket mēcetvn kont owēs.
that’s what he asked us and we’re happy to do it.
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Onkv mucv-nettv hiyowat mv “Vpoket etem punahoyvkēts” makeyvnkē,
So today that “Let’s Sit and Talk” as we named it,
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mv Juanita McGirt mvn em punvyvhant owis, yv.
I’m going to speak with Juanita McGirt here.
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Okemah fvccvn vtēt os kowis.
I think she comes from Okemah way.
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Hvte hę̄cit owvnk’t owvyisen, ‘stv tis aren mēkusvpkv-cuko tis owē witvtēs.
I have seen her around a lot of times, at different places, maybe at church.
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Aren hēcit owak’t owisen, hvte ‘tekę̄rret owvyvnks.
I would see her, but I just recently got to know her.
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Mowisen mvn tem punahoyvhan’t owēs, hiyowat.
But now we are going to talk.
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Um, mv… este-cate estowat owetska, Semvnole, Maskoke?
Um, that… Which tribe are you, Seminole or Maskoke?
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Maskoke, Semvnole.
Maskoke and Seminole.
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Uh-huh, mvt owetskv? Uh-huh, mvt owi[s].
Uh-huh, is that what you are? Uh-huh, that’s what I am.
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Cecke ton hvtą cerke tv?
What about your mom and dad?
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Estowatet este-Maskoke onkat este-Semvnolvke owakemvte?
Which were they, Seminole or Maskoke?
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Cvcket, mv erket Yowelv Billy hocefkvt owemvts.
My mother’s father was named Yowelv Billy.
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Semvnole esfąckusat on.
A full-blood Seminole.
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Mv cvcke erke tatēt o[s].
That’s my late mother’s father.
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Uh-huh. Yowelv Billy? M-hm.
Uh-huh. Yowelv Billy? M-hm.
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Oh, hocefkv vculat owēt, Yowelv? Uh-huh.
Oh, is that an old name, Yowelv? Uh-huh.
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Hocefkv hvnkusēt owvtēt on. Uh-huh. Ohrolopē ‘towan vrēpvto[s].
It was just one name. I don’t know how many years he went by that name.
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Uh, ‘ste-hvtkvlket mv hocefkv hvnke yacvkekon.
The white people they didn’t like that one name.
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M-hm. Mv Billy emhoyvtēt ont owisen,
M-hm. So he was given that Billy,
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Epucat Billyt owvtēt on, mvn esahket, Yowelv Billy hayakvtēt ont os.
His grandfather was Billy, so they took that and changed it to Yowelv Billy.
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Oh, onkv mon, cepuse tv? Onkv cecke? Cepusetathą [owvthą]?
Oh, and what about your grandma? Or your mom? Was it possibly your grandma?
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Cvpuset uh Martha Harjo. M-hm. Mvt owvtēt ont os.
My grandma was Martha Harjo. M-hm. That was her.
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Mvo este Maskoke, Semvnole? Mv esfąckusē owvtēs.
Was she Maskoke or Seminole? She was full-blood.
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Mont cem vliketv tv?
How about your clan?
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Uh, uh.
Uh, uh.
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Eco. Eco kic’t ohketskv? Ecovlke. Uh-huh, Ecovlke. Uh-huh.
Deer. You said Deer? Deer clan. Yes, Deer clan. Uh-huh.
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Mvn oki[s]. Uh-huh.
That’s what I mean. Uh-huh.
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Ohhompetv makvhanvyisan!
I was going to say table!
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Mo[hwē]s cekowvyi[s] makvhant os cekowvyises.
That’s what I thought you were going to say.
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Uh-huh, ‘ste kihocēt onko, mv mowēn ‘stempohak’n owat? Uh-huh.
Uh-huh, isn’t that what people say if you ask them like that? Uh-huh.
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Owis, Ecovlket ont owis mak’t,
She says she is Deer clan,
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mvt em vliketvt owvcok’t owisen,
that’s her clan,
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ohhompetvn makvhanvyis maktok.
but she almost said she was at a table, she says.
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Onkv mvn nake te, nak vkvsvmkv owat?
And so, what is it called, faith and such?
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Pum vkvsvmkv owat ocēt svpaklvkēt owēt onkv,
We all have a certain faith,
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mowēt owvkvccvs pukihocvtē. Uh,
so they told us that we must be this way. Uh,
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nake te? Cuko-rakko onkat,
what is it? Like the ceremonial grounds,
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cuko-rakko ennekēyetv [meant: em vpēyetv] onkv em mowakē ‘pvnakē ‘shvyvtkakē fullat,
where they go about and dance all night,
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uh mvo aretskvtēt owv? M-hm.
did you go to things like that? M-hm.
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Aretskvtēt owv? M-hm, Greenleaf, ‘shvyvtketv.
Did you attend? Yes, Greenleaf, all night.
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Ēkvnv likat mvt, mvt punaket owēs. Uh-huh.
Where that ground sits, that’s ours.
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Pum ēkvnvn ohlikēt ont on.
It’s sitting on our land.
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Mvt uh, este-cate maketv, Vsse Lanvpe? M-hm. Mvt owv? M-hm. Vsse Lanvpe mvt owv?
In the language, it’s Vsse Lanvpe? M-hm. That’s it? M-hm. Vsse Lanvpe, is that it?
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Onkv mv, mon ąrvtet–kot–aretskē monkvt owv?
So you used to go there or do you still go there now?
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Um, mēkusvpkv-cuko min arvyēt owemvts.
Um, I went to church instead.
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Mvn likēt ont owat kērret ont owvyisen, momvhocv este hēcit,
But I still know that the stomp ground is there, and once in a while, I’ll go see people,
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Hoktvke pvnkvn mahoken mvn hecetv cvyacat mon ayimvts. Uh-huh.
and when they say there’s a Ribbon dance, I wanted to see it, so I went. Uh-huh.
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Mowis, ‘pvnvkot owē[s].
But I don’t dance.
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Mon mv, hiyowat mv mēkusvpkv-cuko mvn oh-vyēpetskvtēt owētok
Nowadays, since you went to church,
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hiyowat mvn vkvsvmkv ocet,
since your faith is in your church,
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mowis mvo ‘towēsekot owētok hokkolen owak’n owat mvo,
it would seem fine if you attend both,
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este hę̄ret huervhanvkēt owvtēs kont vkerricēt owē tis,
I always thought that you would be a good person [if you attend either one],
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you know este ētvt [m]vrahkv vkerricakat tayekot os konhǫyis owēt owē tisen, vntat
you know other people, when they think about it, they think it’s not good to go, but myself,
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este-catet owēpeyat punhę̄rvhanat owēs kowvyētok,
we who are Natives, it should be good for us, is what I think,
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fekhvmketv ocet hueret owvhanvkat.
we should feel pride in that.
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Owisen mv mēkusvpkv-cuko estvmimvn aret owetskemvte,
Now talking about church, where did you used to go,
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onkv hiyowat em monket?
or are you still going now?
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Cvcųtkuse monkvn cvpuset Apehkv church mv ‘svcayen, hofone vrvtēt ont on.
When I was little, my grandma took me to Arbeka church, and she had gone there a long time.
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Mv ‘svcayen arin mv takfettvn cvtak-vculvtēt on.
She took me and I grew up in that church yard.
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Mv estvmi fvccvn likēt owa, mv mēkusvpkv-cuko?
Which direction is that church?
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Okemah enhvsvlatkv fvccv vkērkv cenvpaken. M-hm.
West of Okemah, eight miles.
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Aksonkvlket owv–kot–ēohkvl–.
Is it Baptist–no–Methodist?
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Ohkalvlke. M-hm. Ohkalvlke mvt owvcoks.
Methodist. M-hm. She said she’s Methodist.
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Monkv mvn ąret ‘ceculvtēt ont on oketskv? M-hm.
That’s where you grew up, you mean? M-hm.
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Onkv mv mēkusvpkv-cuko onkat mēkusapv enhueretv omvlkv mv kērretskēt owv,
So do you know the all the beliefs of the church or a Christian,
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mv estowēt vretvt owat mēkusvpkv-cuko? Mv…
how things are done in the church? That…
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Cvpuset vm punąyet owemvts.
My grandma always used to talk to me.
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“Heyv mowē vretv tat hę̄ret ont os” maket,
“To go this way is good,” she’d said,
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um,
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hę̄ren nak este em vnicet,
it’s good to help people,
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hę̄ren Hesaketvmesē,
it is good,
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em vtotket vyetvt vhę̄ret ont owisen,
to do God’s work,
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monkot ont on owan os este cekicvkvrēs.
but there will be some people who will tell you that it is not.
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Momo estowis vtǫtketskēs nak cem momaken
As you keep working, there will be issues that come your way,
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nak hę̄r–yv fvccvt vyetv hę̄r’t o[s] mahokvtē,
but this way is better, is what they had said,
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owvnkv nakston cvmont owv? vm mont owv? kowetskē ocvrēs.
so there will be some days when you will wonder why is this or these things happening to me?
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Oketv vnnvcowēn mowvrēs maket,
there will be a lot of times that will happen, she said,
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mont owisen, ēwihkeccvs.
but don’t ever give up.
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M-hm. Ąyē monkvccvs
M-hm. Keep going.
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Ąyē monk[ec]cen, nak omv̨lkvt hoyvnēn owat,
Keep going and when things pass,
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yv fvccvt vyetvt owvtē tayen kērretskvrēs.
you will know that it was the right way to go.
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‘Ste kicēt owemvts.
She used to tell people that.
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M-hm. Yv mahǫkēt owemvts.
M-hm. They always used to say that.
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‘Sten–nake, este ‘mvcahnąket, ‘ste yekcicąket owemvtes.
They used to encourage people and make people feel stronger.
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Monkv mv hvtvm you know uh mv cepuse onkv cecke tis owēpē witvtēs,
So again you know your grandma or maybe your mother,
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uh mēkusvpkv-cuko enhueretv uh
uh the beliefs of the church,
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mv taklike,
the bread,
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uh nake te? mv nettv pvrko-opuswv tis ǫhą? mv nvkvftetv-rakko kihocvnto?
What is it? That day, wine is it? The one they used to call the big meeting?
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Mowē ocakat uh mv taklike takuecetv,
When they have that, to prepare the [communion] bread,
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mv hayvtēt owemvte?
did she make that?
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Onkv estowatet?
Or which one [made it]?
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Hayetot, cvcke. Oh, cecke?
She made it, my mother did. Oh your mom?
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Hokkolen mowis cvcke mvtot, mvtvlkus mēc’t owvhēs mahokēt on huerihocēt on mēcēt owemvts.
Two of them, but my mother would be the only one to do this.
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Mv hoktvke enhomahtv onkat hoktvke ‘makhotv makē owēt okhoyemvts.
The women leaders or the women in front is what I think they used to call them.
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M-hm, hoktvke.
M-hm, the women.
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uh
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mvn kic’t okhoyēt owv?
Is that what they say?
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Hoktvke enhomahtv owēt mēkusvpkv-cuko ‘skerkvkē vpohoyēt onko?
The women leaders of the church, the ones they seat in a certain place?
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Uh-huh, hiyowē. Uh. Mvt owemvte?
Uh-huh, like this. Is that what she was?
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Mvt owv kerrvkot owisen, mvt Aksonkvlke em vyetvn ohkvcen?
I don’t know what that is, are you talking about Baptist ways?
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Uh-huh mvn okis, vnet uh.
Uh-huh, that’s what I mean, myself.
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Ohkalvt mv mēcakvtē kerraks.
Methodists, I don’t know if they did that.
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Oh, monkot owv? Hunh-uh. Kērrvyē sekatēs. Oh.
Oh, they don’t do that? Hunh-uh. I didn’t know that. Oh.
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Owisen mvn taklike mv hayetv mvn mēcēt owemvte?
But did she make the bread that way?
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M-hm. Onkv mv tv eskērken hayvkēt owv?
M-hm. So do they make that a certain way?
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Mv hoktē mowēn hayvccvs kicet mvn huericvkēt ont owat
If they have appointed one woman to make it,
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mvt eskērken hayakēt owv?
do they make it a certain way?
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Mv hvte-hąkus[ēn] alihket,
She got up early in the morning,
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este lomhēpē monken alihket,
while people are still sleeping, she got up,
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takuecepvtē hēcvyēt owemvtok. M-hm.
and she had already prepared it when I saw her. M-hm.
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Mv hoktvle hvnket, vnhoktalat kicē witē, mvt uh,
My mother-in-law, when she did it,
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mvt Aksomkvlk’t owemvt ont owisen, mvt uh
she was a Baptist, but
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taklike mowēn hayēt owemvts.
she used to make the bread like that.
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Owen mvt hvse-vkērkv hvthąyvtkusat
She’d get up really early in the morning,
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hokkolat ennvrkvpv mahē tis alihket,
around 2:30 in the morning, she’s get up,
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maket owemvts, mv, enhvyvtke, enhvyątkusat mv mahe.
she said, in the morning, in the very early morning.
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Mv mahē owē tis owvthą?
Was it around that time?
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Uh, hvt–..ę̄ hvyatkusen mēc’t o hēcimvtisen,
Uh, I just saw her do it early, but
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hompekot, hompeko monket,
she didn’t eat, while not eating,
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nak omvlkvn mvtan takuehcet,
she prepared everything first,
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nak celayetv ocen owat, mv mēcvhanat mv Tvcakuce vrahkvtok.
if she had other things to do, she would do that first for that Sunday.
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Mv mēcvhanat mvn mēcēt on hēcimvtoki[s].
If she had to do that, I used to see her doing it.
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Ohwen mv, hvtą
And also,
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entv̨lkusēt c[vy]ąyakusof mvn mēcēt on, mēcetvt owēs maket,
she would do it, you’re supposed to do it by yourself when it was quiet, she said,
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mēkusvpkv esfvckē maket, onayemvtes.
full of prayer, she said, she used to tell.
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Mv mowen mēcet owvt[ē]tvlkēs.
She used to do it like that.
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Mowis centv mv hayetskēt owv?
But what about you, do you make it?
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‘Towusat ha[ye]t owvyisen,
Sometimes I make it,
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svmon hayvkot.
but I don’t make it much.
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Oh hoktē hvnken mowepeko ta[ye]t owat mvn,
Oh, when another lady is not able to do it,
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cem pohoyēt owv? M-hm.
they ask you? M-hm.
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Mowet mowis owēt owēs. Vyoposkv kihocvnto? M-hm.
Sometimes it happens. Are you what they called a substitute?
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‘Stekihocan mv ‘stem pohoyvnt owes vm mēcvkēt owēs.
When they ask you, you do it.
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Onkv hę̄re-mahen mv ohfvccv pum onayehceccekv– pum opunvyehcetskekv.
You have told us very well about that–talked to us about it.
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Onkv pum onayet hiyowat mv mēkusvpkv-cuko Apehkv Ohkalvlke,
Now that church, Arbeka Methodist,
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uh mv mēkusvpkv-cuko arvtet maketskat, mv mēkusvpkv-cuko hvtą Okemah fvccvn mvn likēt os kic’t oketsken,
that church you said you went to, you said it was toward Okemah,
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uh estofv-mahen hahoyvtēt owē tē, mvt?
about when did they build it?
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Ohrolopē cokpe-rakko hvnken cokpe cenapaken pale-ost… pale-cenvpaken ostohkaken mv
In the year 1884.
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ohrolopē mvn ha– vlicēhocvtēt ont on: 1884.
That’s the year they started: 1884.
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Owen mv ohlik’tv-ohlikv onkv hvtecę̄skusē ‘svlilēcat uh estimvt owvtēt owvtē?
And the very first pastor who started the church, who was he?
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Este mvnettēt arēt ont, mv.
He was a young guy.
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mēkusvpkv-cuko tempusan ecket likēt hofonof mv
His mother lived real close to the church a long time ago,
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cvhecikvrǫnkon fullē witvtē[s]. Mvn ecket likēt on,
they were probably there before I was born. His mother lived there,
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arēt on.
and he was around there.
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mvt ‘stǫfis mēkusvpkv-cuko vhuerēt owemvts.
He came to church all the time.
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Mv tat ētv erkenakē ayvtē kerraks, mv tvlkusen arēt on.
If he went to other churches to preach, I don’t know, he only went there.
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Tingo Frank hocefkvt owemvts.
Tingo Frank was his name.
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Mm, Tingo Frank? M-hm.
Mm, Tingo Frank? M-hm.
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Mv este Maskoket owvt hą? M-hm.
Was he Maskoke? M-hm.
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Owen ąyen uh,
Then as time passed,
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mv ‘stimv ētv vyoposkvtē tv? Mv tv?
did anybody else take his place?
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Erkenvkvlke sulkē.
A lot of preachers.
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‘Stit enhvteceskv tat kerraks, mvn mv[mah ē]. 1884 tatētok. Mowis enrora[fkat]– renyopv tat sulkē.
I don’t know who the first one was, back then. It was 1884. But after that, there were a lot:
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Jimmy Chupco tis, Newman Long tis. M-hm.
Jimmy Chupco. Newman Long. M-hm.
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George Long, Tony Hill, Pete Miller, Austin Bell.
George Long, Tony Hill, Pete Miller, Austin Bell.
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Austin Bell mvt, ‘ste-hvtke ‘punvkv tv̨lkus owen ‘serkenaket ont owisen, ‘te-hvtke em punvkv min ‘serkenaken,
That Austin Bell, he only preached in English, he preached in English,
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vyēcicen, erke mv ‘ste-catet owvtētis onkv.
as he went on, his dad was an Indian, so
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Mv, mata fullēt em punahoyat iesenkerrēpē haken aret.
he hung around and listened to the other men talk and he was learning it.
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Ohrolopē hokkolen ahret vyēpof, cvckucet vcak-vyēpvtēt o[s].
When he had been there two years, my aunt left with him.
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‘Tehvlvtepihohcen, espum vyēpemvts.
They got married, and he took her away from us. Oh.
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Mv, let’s see Tony Hill kiceccat, mv hocefhoyat pohvyvtēt os.
That Tony Hill you mentioned, I’ve heard him named.
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Owen hvtvm Newman Long vculvke opunvyēcaket fullat pohvyvtēt os.
And that Newman Long, I used to hear elders mention him.
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Hvtą, ‘ti ētvn kic’t okeccv? Oh, Pete Miller. Pete Miller.
Again, who else did you say? Oh, Pete Miller. Pete Miller.
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Mvn hocefhoyat pohvyvtēt os.
I used to hear him named.
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Jeffrey Smith tv?
What about Jeffrey Smith?
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Mmm, mvt Castle fvccvn ak-vpokakat, mvt ohą? No.
Mmmm. Is he one of them that lives around Castle? No.
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Um,
Um,
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Yeager, Yeager yv enkvsvppof’ fvccv enlikēt owemvts. Oh, uh-huh.
Yeager. North of Yeager is where he lived. Oh, uh-huh.
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Uewohkuce kihocen mēkusvpkv-cuko likēt owē[s], mv
There’s a church named Wewohkuce down by there.
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mvn ar’t owemvts. M-hm.
That’s where he was. M-hm.
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Alfred Harjo?
Alfred Harjo?
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Mm, mvn pohvyvt[ē]t owis owēs
Mm, I might’ve heard of him.
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M-hm. Owisen mvt Okcvn-Hvcce Ohkalv mvn ar’t owemvts.
M-hm. But he was from Salt Creek Methodist.
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James Yeager? M-hm, mvo kēr[rit], vculet arēmvts.
James Yeager. I remember him, he was an elder.
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Hvte vm mvnettvhąnusof. M-hm.
When I was younger. M-hm.
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Hiyowat cvhoktvlēpē ont o[s].
Now I’m old!
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Woodrow Haney?
Woodrow Haney?
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Uh-huh, mvn kērris, mvo.
Uh-huh, I know him.
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Sam Haney?
Sam Haney?
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Uh-huh, mvo kērris.
Uh-huh, I know him.
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Vernon Haney?
Vernon Haney?
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Uh, ‘stowusat, uh-huh ‘stowat owat kērris.
Uh, a little, uh-huh, I know which one he is.
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M-hm. Mvn hofonēn pum ar’t owemvts.
M-hm. He was with us a long time.
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Ohrolopē cahkēpat mahē ‘pupakemvts.
He was with us for about five years.
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Vpēhohuecēt ohrolopē hvnkat mahen,
They used to send them off after about a year,
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vpēhuehocēt owemvtan omvt[s]. Hofonē pum vrētt owemvts.
then they used to transfer them, but he stayed with us for a long time.
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William Smith?
William Smith?
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Mvn kerre-mahvko[t os kowi]. Jeffrey Smith kiceyvnkē, mv erket owemvts. Oh.
I don’t think I know him. Jeffery Smith was his father. Oh.
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Onkv sulkē hayēt owēt, tonko? M-hm.
So there was a whole lot. M-hm.
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Ę̄ hecakvyowen, yvhikakē vpokat tis hecakvyēt owen
I could just almost see them sitting there singing
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heyv oh-onayat hēcvyis.
as I was reading this.
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Mike Harjo?
Mike Harjo?
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Uh-huh, kērris. Mv sonkētt owvnkv?
Uh-huh, I know him. Did he pass away?
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Uh-huh. Hvtewǫlusen sonkētt owvnk[s]. M-hm.
Uh-huh. Just a little while ago. Mm-hm.
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Jackson Deer?
Jackson Deer?
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Kērris kowi[s], mv um,
I might have known him. Um,
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hoktvke hokkolen ocēt owemvts kowvyē[s], mvte? Mv toko?
I thought he had two daughters? Is that him? Or not?
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Kerrvkot os, mowis cvcke nahvnke mahusat on, uh,
I don’t know exactly, but he’s my mom’s kinfolk, uh
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Ocēpvttis owētis ‘punayēcat pohvyvtēs[eko]. M-hm.
He might’ve had them, but I never did hear him talk about them.
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Erkenvkvlke sųlkē mv mēkusvpkv-cuko fullvtē,
There were a lot of preachers who came through that church,
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mv ‘svlilēcvtē mvn hocefhuecet oketskes. M-hm.
you’re naming off all of those that started and took part in the church. M-hm.
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Sulkē ropotē– mv sulkē ropotecēpvtē tis kerrvkot owis mv ę̄ akerrvyē hakof mvn.
There were a lot of them–there were a lot of them that went through that I didn’t know, but I know of some now.
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M-hm. Mv, mvt ropotēcvtēt on.
M-hm. Those are the ones that went through.
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‘Sesten– ‘Sestvwoskusē hakof, vpēhoyecephoyen. M-hm.
Just when you were getting used to them, they would get sent off. M-hm.
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Ētvn enhuehketv
When the others are called away
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kihocen, vpēyet owvt hą, mv?
as they say, is that why they left?
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M-hm, mēkusvpkv-cuko ētvn ‘tohtvlhuehocen vpēyet owvtē[s].
M-hm, they sent them to from one church to another.
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Onkv mv ‘ste sųlkēt cenahvnkvlket owakat, mv fullet,
So there were many who went there who were your kinfolk,
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onkat Haneys kicakhoyat fullen, Deer kihocak’ mvo fullakes.
like the Haneys and then there are the Deers.
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‘Ste sulkēt cenahvmvlket owvkēt vtēhket owemvte[s], mv mēkusvpkv-cuko.
A lot of the members that were sort of your kinfolks were in that church.
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Vketēcvkat, family hvnkusit owusēt vlicēcakvtēt ont owv? kont vkerricvyēt ont o[s].
As you look into it, I wonder whether just one family started it.
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Owen hvtą ‘setoh– uh, nake te?–etohtvlket hvtą sųlkē ‘tepvkaket fullet tohtvlkaket owat.
And–what is it called?–they started gathering and a lot of them got married and went on and got together.
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Heyv Frank kicvyisē, Tingo Frank, mv ecke,
Those Franks that I mentioned, Tingo Frank, his mother,
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‘puetake hoktvke tuccēnen owemvts kowvyē, cēpvnvke tuccēnen, mv
they had three daughters, I think, and three boys,
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mvtēkus esvlicēcakattowv? kowvyēt os. M-hm.
and I’ve wondered if those were the only ones that started it. M-hm.
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Mvt vyēcicen este ētvo, em pohvttaken roricet,
As they carried on, they invited other people, and as they came,
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fulletv vlicēcvtēt ont o[s]. Uh-huh.
they started attending there. Uh-huh.
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‘Ste hvnke mv–nake te?–uh, Jerry Haney kicē, mv mēkko, ar’t owv?
There was one person–what is it?–uh Jerry Haney, that chief, was he there?
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Mvt Hecete Methodist mvn arēt owvtet makēt owvnk[s]. Mvo.
He said he belonged to Hitchiti Methodist.
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Mv hvpo hę̄rat sulkēt ę̄ ‘svtakhvkēt svmpalofket owemvts makēt owvnk[s]. M-hm.
He said there were camphouses that went all around. M-hm.
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Centv? Mv Apēhkv uh mēkusvpkv-cuko ēyohkalvlke,
And you? At that Arbeka Methodist church,
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mv tv, hvpo sųlkēt owemvte?
were there a lot of camphouses there?
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Mowēt owemvtes.
There used to be.
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Hiyowat este-hvtke ‘semvyē vlicēcvkēpat,
Nowadays they’ve started services like the white man,
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mv hompetv-cuko-rakko min hayahket, mvn
they built a large dining space instead,
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omvlkvt hompetv ‘setohkvlket hompakē hakēt on. M-hm.
and that’s where they all bring food and eat together. M-hm.
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Mowis mv hvte aceculē areccat uh mv hvpo mowēt owemvte? M-hm.
But when you were growing up, were the camphouses like that?
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Sulke cenahvmkvlke mvo hvtą ceckuce owvkē tis onkat uh,
A lot of your relatives, like your aunts or uh,
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uh
uh
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naket? cenahvmke mąhusat, cepvwv enake tis,
what is it? your own family, your uncle’s, also,
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ceckuce owakat mvn ocak’n owat mvn. ‘Ste-hvpo.
your aunt and such, if they had one. A camphouse.
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Uh-huh, ‘toh-aretskēt owemvte? M-hm.
Uh-huh, did you go from one to another? M-hm.
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Mv ‘tenahvnkucvlke ‘tem akkopąnē fullvkēt owemvtok. M-hm.
We used to play with our little cousins. M-hm.
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Owen mowēt ąyen mv mēkusvpkv-cuko ‘sohrakket vyę̄pvtēt owemvts. M-hm.
We kept going on like that, and the church grew bigger and went on and on. M-hm.
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Mv okvyat, mv Tingo okvyate,
The one I was talking about, that Tingo I was talking about,
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ecket Apehkv hiyowē likat enlekothof’ fvccv vkērkv tuccēnen
his mother had land three miles south of where Arbeka is now,
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cukon– ēkvnvn ocēt on,
and there was a house there,
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mv cuko likēt on, mvn ecket enlikēt arēt owvtēt on.
and he lived with his mother.
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Mowof, “Mēkusvpkv ‘svpokepvkē ta[ye]t os” kicen.
Then, she told him, “We could be having church here., she told him.
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Aksonkvt owvtē[s], mv ecke tat, kicen vyē–
She was a Baptist, and she told him we could be having service–
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Em oh-vkvsahmet, este vteloket,
He agreed, and people started gathering,
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nvkvfketv ocaket mēkusvpkv hayaken vpoket,
and they had meetings and prayer service,
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vwahet fullēt owvtēt on.
and then would dismiss.
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Uh, naket hocefkvt os kowat–
Uh, I forgot what his name is–
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Jacob Knight. Mvt hocefkvt,
Jacob Knight. That was his name,
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erkenvkv Aksonkv erkenvkv mvt arēt owvtet, rem or’t on.
he was a Baptist preacher that was around and he went there and visited with him.
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“Mowēn mēkusvpkv ‘svpokepvkē ta[ye]t os, cencukon” kicen,
He told him, “We could be having church at your home,”
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‘moh-vkvsahmen,
and he agreed,
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mon vlicēcaket fullof, hvtą
and when they started going there,
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erkenvkv hvnken mvt ohkalvt rem orahken.
there was one preacher that went to see them, he was a Methodist preacher.
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‘Tem vtotkaket ‘svhoyen,
They worked along together,
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nak ‘stowaten–nak ‘stohwen owat kerrvkekon, mv Jacob Knight kicvyat arvtē wikehpen,
they didn’t know what had happened, but for some reason, that Jacob Knight stopped coming,
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uh Little, Little hocefkvt, Thomas Little.
and Little, his name was Little, Thomas Little.
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Mvt ‘svlicehcet entvlkusēn hahket, mv Ohkalvt on,
He started it and was left by himself, he was a Methodist,
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entvlkusēn hahket ‘saren.
and he was left by himself to carry it on.
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Hofone-mahekon mv hoktē encuko mv nvkvftetv hayakat,
Before long the woman’s house they used to gather at,
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mēkusvpkv-cuko Apehkv hocefakvtēt ont on.
they named it Arbeka church.
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Oh, onkv mv hvnken ‘svlilēcvnton?
Oh, so it started with that one?
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Hvtą yekcetv ocvkē onkat,
If they were getting more spiritually filled, or
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‘sēmvhayet mēkusvpkv owat ofvn hę̄ren huer’t ont owat kowet, mvn
as he practiced to be in good standing in their faith,
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vrakkueckv ocē hak’n owat, mvn tohkvlkaket– Mowvtēt ont on.
if he had their respect, then they would gather– That’s sort of how it happened.
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Thomas Little tat em erkenaket ont owisen, emvhayet,
Thomas Little preached to them, but also taught them,
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mont ‘towēt ‘svyetv tat emvhayet,
and taught them how it should be run,
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Cokv-rakko oh-onvyetvn ‘mvhayakvtēs makēt on.
and he taught how to read the Bible, they say.
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Hofonē ‘sarvtētok kowvyvnk[s], vlicēcat.
I imagine it took him quite a while to do that, when he first started.
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Mvo oh-onvyakat ‘mvhayahket hvtą
So they taught them to read,
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nerē fēkvpkv lomheko monket mēkusvpkv hayet,
and at night, before they lay down to rest, they had a prayer,
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“Hvthvyvtke avpokatskateu mvo
“When you get up in the morning, also,
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matapowēn momēc’t owvkvccvs” kic’t ‘mvhayvtēt ont o[s] makēt on hēcvyvnt[s].
you should do the same,” he taught them, and I saw it [in the papers].
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“Estofis nak-omvlkv mēkusvpkv ocet,
“It’s always good to have a prayer about everything,
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cen nekēkv owat aret owvccvs” ‘stekicē owemvtok, emonkisont os, hiyowat.
about your actions and such,” they used to tell people, and maybe it is the same nowadays.
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Sulkē mowisen ē– yv ēkvnv onkv mucv oketv ofv tat,
There are a lot of them, but–in this land or at this time,
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nake pvfnē ‘yacvkēt ont onkv.
they want to do things fast.
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Mv tat ę̄ sulkē mowvkekot owvtēs kowitok.
I think a lot of them are probably not doing that [praying and such].
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Mv hvtą hompetv-hak-cuko hiyowat mocvsvkē owē hayephoyet os kicetskat,
Now there are dining halls being built, you say,
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cēmeu cenhayvkephoyemvte onkv? M-hm.
did they make one for y’all church, too? M-hm.
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Onkv mvn omvlkv mv tohkvlkatsket owv, mvn?
So do you all get together there?
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M-hm. ‘Svteloket– ‘Setohkvlket.
M-hm. Bringing it. Gathering together.
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M-hm, yv hompetv ‘setohkvlkē, mvn,
M-hm, bringing the food all together there,
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este hompvkuecet, hompet fullatsket owv? Uh-huh.
and you all feed the people and eat? Uh-huh.
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Onkv nake ētv mv ohfvccv, mēkusvpkv-cuko ohfvccv onvyetv ocetsken owan, onvyepvs.
So if you have anything else to tell about that, or about the church, go ahead and tell it.
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Owen yvhiketv?
And a song?
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Yv, mv yvhiketv sulkēn yvhikaket owemvts kiceccat,
All those songs that people used to sing, as you say,
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mvo–mvn iesenkerrvkēpetskemvte?
did you learn from them also?
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Mvt on hvtą, Okcvn-Hvccen cvckuce vtēt on mvn
My aunt was from Salt Creek [church],
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mēkusvpkv-cuko ‘shayvthokēt on, Rewahle ohkalvlk’ ‘shayvtkvkē mahēt on, mvn
they had all-night services at that church near Thlewahle Methodist church,
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Carmen Lowe kihocen ar’t owemvts.
and there was someone called Carmen Lowe there.
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Mv ehiwv ē– mv ‘tepakat cvllēckvn vtēhkvnket vhoyepēt on.
He and his wife, they would go together in a wagon.
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“Vyēpihą?” kicin, “Vye–Cakk-vyepvs” mahokvnton.
“Can I go?” I said. They told me to go ahead and go with them.
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Ahyit, mvn yakkopvnkvn okvyiskv arvyvtē cvhotusēn owat,
I went, but I just wanted to go play, and when I was tired,
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‘puetake vpvlwv hotosvkēpvcuken,
and the other kids would get tired too,
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mēkusvpkv-cuko yvhihokan mv yopvn vpokēn,
we’d go inside the church where they were singing and we would sit in the back,
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mv cukofv ētan vpokēn,
we sat in that same room,
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vccetv tis ocvkēn atakpvticvhan’t on lomhēn,
and if they had quilts, they’d spread them on the floor and we’d lay down.
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Mvn yvhihokat vtēkusen pohet nocicēpeyvtēt o[s].
All we heard was that singing, and then we went off to sleep.
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Mv ‘svpvkēn ǫha kont kerrvkot onkat,
Because of that, I don’t know, but
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en– ennvrkvpv yvhik’tv nerē omv̨lkvn cvpuse “Mēkusvpkv hayvkēts” maket,
at midnight, during the singings, my grandma would always say, “Let’s have a prayer.”
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‘puetake vtelohyen,
and she gathered all the children,
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Cokv-Rakko warke estowusis oh-onayatsken maket,
and she asked us all to read a Bible verse,
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este omv̨lkvn ohhuehkēt on.
and called on each one.
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“Naken oh-onvyepvyē tē?” kont,
“What am I going to read?”
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orēn vm vkerrickvn arvyēt owemvts. M-hm.
I would really think about that. M-hm.
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Ont on mon “Vpvkēn yvhiketvo enhopoyvccvs.
And she’d say, “Pick out a song, too.
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Enhopohyet, vlicēcetsken owat, cem vniceyvrēs” mahoken. Mvn.
If you pick one and start it, we will help you,” she said.
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Mvn ‘svlicē ‘stowē witvyvtē[s], yvhiketv.
That’s when probably I started singing.
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Hę̄ren cemvhayēpvttises, mv.
She really taught you well back then.
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Fekhvmketv ocet owvrēs cekont yvhiketv ‘svlilēceccen [‘svlicēceccen] owat, cekont okhoyvtē tis.
She wanted you to have confidence when you started a song, is what she wished for you.
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Mowis, hę̄re-mahes.
That’s all good.
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Mon mv ąret, mv uh
Then as time went on,
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mv cem pvlse erkenvkvt ont owv?
is your husband a preacher?
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mv, mv tokot mv ‘tepahkeyof,
No, he wasn’t, but when we got together,
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“Mēkusvpkv-cuko mvn vrę̄pvyētētok, vyetv cvyacētt os.
I told him, “I am used to going to church, I want to go to church.
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‘Tvcak-‘Sostv hakētt onkv, vyetv cvyac’t os” kicin.
Fourth Sunday is coming up and I want to go.”
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Vm eyacekat kērrin, mont owisen,
I knew he didnʻt want me to go,
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hvtą vhoyēkis mowen vcohmvttēpen, vnt mēkusvpkv-cuko vrę̄pvyvtētok vntvnecē hayen. Uh huh.
Sometimes we didn’t go, I missed it. I was used to going to church, I missed it. Uh-huh.
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Ont on, ąyen, mowē ‘stowisen “Vyēpvhant owis” kicin. Cvcke hvtą vcak-vyetv vlicehcin,
Time went on and I just told him, “I’m going to go.” I started going with my mom,
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ayē hak’t owemvts, ayē hak’t owen mowis, vm punayat,
and then he started going, but when he talked to me he said,
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“Cem mēkusvpkv-cuko vhvoke receyiyvkos.
“I will never go through the doors of your church.
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Cent vrepvhan’t ontskes” cvkicen,
You go ahead and go,” he told me,
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“Enka!” kihcin, vrēpin, ąyen,
“Okay!” I said, and attended, and after a long time,
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mv cvpuse okvyat mvn, em punayen,
my grandma that I mentioned, she talked to him,
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“Cepuse vm punvyę̄pet. Cvpuse mowēt owēpvtē.
“Your grandma has been talking to me. I wish my grandma was like her.
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Mv, mvt tis cvpuset owēpvtē, kont vkerricvyis” maken em punąyē monken,
I wish she were my grandma, is what I was thinking” he said as she kept talking to him.
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Oh, ar’t on–
Oh, he was there–
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uh, Woodrow Haney mv kicvyisē mvn, mv pum erkenvkvt ont on,
that Woodrow Haney that I spoke about, he was our preacher at that time.
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“‘Oh– iepupahket, pum vnicepetskē ta[ye]t owat ar’t ontskes’ cvkįcēt ont os” maken,
[My husband] said that [Woodrow] kept telling him, “Come join us and you can help us out.
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‘Yvhiketv tat ‘sem vnvckēt yvhikēpēt ont owat on.'” M-hm.
You are fortunate in being able to sing.” M-hm.
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“‘Iepupaketsken owat, hę̄ren vpēyepē ta[ye]t os’ cvkįc’t os” maken.
[My husband] said that [Woodrow] kept telling him, “If you come join us, we can go the right way.”
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Easter owēt owē witvtēs, mv.
That might have been around Easter.
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Good Friday owēn ‘svpohoken,
We had service on Good Friday,
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mvn av̨hten, mvn ohkvlhoyen,
and he finally came forward and was baptized.
341
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mvn Woodrow ‘mvhąyen,
Woodrow kept teaching him,
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‘svyekcusowē hahket ayen, hvtą
and he got a little stronger in his church work and continued,
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hofone-mahekan, Woodrow enkvpvkehpen. M-hm.
it wasn’t too long after that that Woodrow left it. M-hm.
344
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Erkenaket enwikētt vrēpen,
He had quit preaching,
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“‘Cvkicet ‘svcohyekcįcetsken vpakimvtat.
[My husband] told Woodrow, “You kept encouraging me and for that reason I joined in.
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Cent hvtą ecohyekcicvhanvyat vm orētt os’ kicvyēs” maken.
It has come time for me to encourage you,” [my husband] told him.
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Owemvtan, uh Woodrow mvt mvhayvtēt ont o[s].
That’s what happened, uh Woodrow, he taught him.
348
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Onkv ha– Owen ąyen erkenvkv hakēpemvte? M-hm.
And as time went on, he became a preacher? M-hm.
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Owen mowet hofonē ‘tepakvtē sehokatskē monkvt os.
So you have been together a long time and y’all are in the same standing now.
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Enhofonē nvcowat mahen ‘tepakaccet ont on mahket–maket ohketska?
How many years did you say y’all have been married?
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Uh, ohrolopē palē-ēpaken hokkolohkaken.
Sixty-two years.
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Oowee, hofone-mahēt.
A very long time.
353
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Mowē ‘stowe-sekot os,
There’s nothing wrong with that,
354
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vnokeckv tat eterakkuecet etem ocet owatskat.
for you all to have love and respect toward one another,
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Pvlkēs [meant to say tvlkēs]. Hofonetok.
for sure. That’s a long time.
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Este-hvtke tat “Estowē mowvtēken ‘tepakatskvt tē, ‘tennaorekot?” maken
The white people ask, “How did you all stay together that long without getting on each other’s nerves?”
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‘Tennaorekot
We may have gotten on each another’s nerves,
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kvpvkēn ētvn ‘sten–nake–‘stenaoricekot avrēpvken, ‘stehorēt owemvts kicin okaket ont o[s].
but when we had issues that bothered us, we would just give each other space and you soon forget.
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Mowēt owēs. M-hm.
That’s how it is. M-hm.
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Onkv mvn hę̄re-mahes, mvo, ‘punvkv pum onayetskes.
You have told us a good thing.
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Hvtvm nak ētvn ‘tem opunvyēcvkvrēs.
We will talk about something else.
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Hvtvm hiyowat mv uh cem pvlse nak hocefkvt owa?
And now, what is your husband’s name?
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Walter.
Walter.
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Oh. Walter McGirt.
Oh. Walter McGirt.
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Kērris. Este vcvkus’ owēt, tor-sakkakv ‘sakkayet. M-hm. M-hm, arēt owēs.
I know him. Little short man, wears glasses. M-hm. M-hm, he’s seen around.
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Kērris. Ella Coon en-brother? M-hm. Oh, “en-brother”.
I know him. Ella Coon’s brother? M-hm. Oh, “en-brother”.
368
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Ervhv? Ecuse? Ervhv?
Older sister? Younger sister?
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Ella Coon mvt erv– ēwvnwv?
Ella Coon is his– his sister?
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Ella Coon-t ēwvnwvt ont on.
Ella Coon is his sister.
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Oh, cvhǫsēt owēs mv mowē maketv.
Oh, I always forget how to say that.
372
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Uh-huh, kērris.
Uh-huh, I know him.
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Onkv mv, hofonē ‘tepvkaccvtēt onkv, hokkolaccat mvn,
So then, since you both have been together a long time, the two of you,
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opunvkv Semvnole hvtą este Maskoke em punvkv ‘punahoyatskēt owētok,
and you both speak the Seminole or Muskogee language,
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onkv etem punahoyet,
talking to each other,
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em punvkv etemvrahkusēt owv, estowusat?
does he speak a little different?
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Um, mowēt on o mvtisen. ‘Punayin pǫhat tis ont os.
A little bit. I guess from hearing me talking all the time,
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enlvpotkus owē hakēt on.
he’s got it all straightened out now.
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Mowis nak vnvcowēt makat, enkerrēskon makēt on.
But there are a few words that he says sometimes that I can’t figure out what he’s saying.
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“Rehsit”, nak,
Like “rehsit” (‘I’m going to go get it’).
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uh,
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‘Tvn hopvyēn likin, resvhanvkat, “rehsit” kicvkēt ont owisen,
Iʻll be sitting kind of far off and to go get something, I’ll say “rehsit”,
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ent, mv tat, “sehsit” makēt owēs.
but him, he says “sehsit”.
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Mowis mv naken okat kērrvkkv.
But we know what he is talking about.
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Vnt “fish head” mak’t okces kowvyis!
I thought you said “fish head”!
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“Rehsit” makēt on. Uh-huh. “Sehsit.” Uh-huh.
“Rehsit” I say. Uh-huh. “Sehsit.” Uh-huh.
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“Resehsit”. Uh-huh. What is that? ‘Towēn naken mak’t okv? Hvtusvnkē maken.
“Resehsit”. Uh-huh. What is that? What is he saying? He said that recently.
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Wikvt-sekot onko mont vkerricit.
I wonder why he’s never quit.
390
00:29:24,972 –> 00:29:28,093
Onkv ‘punvkv mowē ‘svrę̄pet
Well, he’s been talking his own way
391
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cenake min ‘punvyēcicē haketskemvte?
so you finally got him to talk your way?
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‘Stowusat.
Just a little bit.
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Mowē makaket on vpelicetvt,
That’s the way they say things, and we laugh,
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hvtą “rehsit” makat hvtą hopįyē tis okak kowvyin,
like when you said “rehsit”, you would think it was far off, but
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hopvye-mahekot owan oken.
he means it’s not that far off.
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Enkērresko owis owakēt owvnkes.
Sometimes you don’t understand what they are meaning.
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Mv mowē ‘te-cate vpvkakē tat
There’s some Indians, and when we’re together
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mv nak-onvkuce mahǫkisē mv ‘punvyakat,
those that tell little stories in the language,
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hopvyēn hofonvnkēn on owat,
if they’re talking about long ago,
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“hofone-mahekovnkē” makaket,
they say “hofone-mahekovnkē” ‘not long ago’,
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hvtą ‘towusat hofonusēn owak’n owat, “hofonvnkēn” makaket,
but if it’s something just recent, they say “hofonvnkēn” ‘long ago’.
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mowis, hofone-mahēn okak’n owat “hofǫnvnkē” makakēt owēs, maket.
But then when they are talking about things long ago they say “hofǫnvnkē” ‘loooong ago’.
404
00:30:16,393 –> 00:30:20,694
Mowēn enkerrvkēt owēs makaket.
That’s how we understand them, the way they talk.
405
00:30:20,694 –> 00:30:26,683
Mv em punvkvt enhakē ‘mvrahkvt oket “hofonvnkē” mak’n owat.
The sound of their word is different if they say ‘long ago’.
406
00:30:26,683 –> 00:30:32,270
hofone-mahēn okēt ont os kicēt.
It means ‘long ago’, we say.
407
00:30:32,297 –> 00:30:38,998
Mowēt o[s]. Hvtą mv opunvkv–Hvtą ‘sokkoskv makakat tv, mv tv?
That’s the way it is. And about the language–What about when they say ‘soap’, how about that?
408
00:30:38,998 –> 00:30:42,435
‘Sokkoskv mv–I mean, este Maskoket owēpikv,
For ‘soap’–I mean, I’m Muskogee,
409
00:30:42,435 –> 00:30:47,053
mv Eufaula fvccv vtvyēt onkv, “kvpe” makvyēt owē[s], “kvpe”.
I come from toward Eufaula, so I say “kvpe”.
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M-hm. You know, ‘sēhvsetec–tolofv tis ‘sokkoset mahǫkvtē[s].
M-hm. You know, cleaning yourself– or what they always say for washing your face with.
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Owat mvn yv fvccv Semvnolvlke em etvlwv vlahkvyof,
When I came this way to the Seminole Nation,
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“kvpe” makin, kvpe-cvfke min asvm eshoyemvts.
I’d say “kvpe”, and they’d get sofkee lye for me instead.
413
00:31:05,223 –> 00:31:12,578
Kerrvkekot onko? kont vkerricvyemvtis, mowis, hiyowat kērris. M-hm. ‘Temvrahrvkvt.
“Don’t they know anything?” I thought, but now I know. M-hm. [Their speaking] is different.
414
00:31:12,578 –> 00:31:16,500
‘Sestvwoskekot ont owat. Uh-huh.
When you’re not used to it. Uh-huh.
415
00:31:16,500 –> 00:31:18,721
Kērrvkekot ont os, opunvkv kowvkēt owē[s].
You think they don’t know the language, is what we think.
416
00:31:18,721 –> 00:31:21,724
Mv halo pvlaknuce ocat mvt,
The wash pan,
417
00:31:21,724 –> 00:31:29,289
owv vcahnē ‘sēokkosvkat mvt, ‘sēokkoskvn mvn kicēt owemvts. Uh-huh.
the kind you pour water in and wash yourself with, we call it a wash pan (‘sēokkoskv). Uh-huh.
418
00:31:29,289 –> 00:31:36,377
Pomeu, “Mv sēokkoskvn uh avnwiyvs” ‘stekicēt owēt, mvo.
Us, too. “Hand me that wash pan (‘sēokkoskv)” we’d ask people.
419
00:31:36,377 –> 00:31:42,096
Mon mv tolofv ‘sēkvrpēckv owē, mv cutkusat, mv tv, naken?
And to dry your face with, that little one, what about that?
420
00:31:42,096 –> 00:31:43,428
‘Sēokkoskuce.
Washrag (‘sēokkoskuce).
421
00:31:43,428 –> 00:31:46,608
Uh-huh, ‘sēhvsvtēckv owat mv hvtvm makat.
Uh-huh, or napkin (‘sēhvsvtēckv).
422
00:31:46,608 –> 00:31:52,412
Mowēs kowvyēs. Mon mv hvtą cufunwv tv?
I think that’s right. And what about a fork (cufunwv)?
423
00:31:52,412 –> 00:31:57,125
Eshompetv. Uh-huh. Cufunwv mvt punt.
To eat with. Uh-huh. “Cufunwv”, that’s us.
424
00:31:57,125 –> 00:32:01,292
Punt mv nak ‘svhoretvn okēt owēs.
For us it also means something to sew with.
425
00:32:01,292 –> 00:32:04,139
Vneu mvn makvyēt owemvts, cufunwv.
Me, too, I say that, cufunwv.
426
00:32:04,139 –> 00:32:08,187
Cvpuse mvn, cufunwuce makēt on, cufunwv.
My grandma said cufunwuce and cufunwv.
427
00:32:08,187 –> 00:32:10,265
Hvtą esropottv tis makat,
And they called it “esropottv”, too,
428
00:32:10,265 –> 00:32:14,642
vculvke mahat mvn makakvtēt ont os kowvyēt o[s]. M-hm.
the very oldest ones used to say that, I think. M-hm.
429
00:32:14,660 –> 00:32:20,440
Mon, cvcke mv vpelkv-hayv owusēt owēmvtok. M-hm.
My mom liked to tell jokes. M-hm.
430
00:32:20,440 –> 00:32:26,293
Nak mv ‘punvyepeko ‘monahok’n owat, ‘sropottv kihocof,
She didn’t speak like that, so when they would tell her “‘sropottv”,
431
00:32:26,293 –> 00:32:28,447
mv atvme ‘saren,
it’s like driving a car,
432
00:32:28,447 –> 00:32:34,362
kulkē catēpē ‘sropottan okhoyet makēt owemvt[s], mv tat.
when the light turns red, it’s like driving through it, she would say.
433
00:32:34,362 –> 00:32:38,666
M-hm, mowakēt os.
M-hm, that’s what they do.
434
00:32:38,666 –> 00:32:46,936
Ohwen hvtvm mv cen– uh, cenhoktalat tv? oceccēt owemvte? Cempvlse ecke?
And again your–did you have a mother-in-law? Your husband’s mom?
435
00:32:46,936 –> 00:32:50,151
Mvn kicvkēt ont owv, ‘stenhoktalat kicet?
Is that what we call them, “mother-in-law”?
436
00:32:50,151 –> 00:32:52,775
“Old lady” kicēt owē[s].
We called them “old lady”.
437
00:32:52,775 –> 00:32:58,000
Mother-in-law, old lady kicē owēt okhoyvnte, vnhoktalat?
Did we used to call a mother-in-law “old lady”, my old lady?
438
00:32:58,000 –> 00:33:03,210
Ehocefkat mvn hocēfimvts. Liza hocefkvt on.
I called her by her name instead. Her name was Liza.
439
00:33:03,210 –> 00:33:06,999
Mvt estonkon, uh, nake tē?
That’s fine, what is it?
440
00:33:06,999 –> 00:33:12,050
Cem ahę̄rusēt ont, cem vnicę̄pen aretskēt owemvte? M-hm.
Was she good to you, did she help you out with things you needed? M-hm.
441
00:33:12,050 –> 00:33:14,805
Ēyąskusēt on. M-hm.
She was really humble. M-hm.
442
00:33:14,805 –> 00:33:16,888
Vhę̄ricusēn ‘punayēt on.
She talked real soft.
443
00:33:16,888 –> 00:33:20,711
Vpę̄lusē ‘svwoskēt ąrēt owemvt[s].
She always had a smile.
444
00:33:20,711 –> 00:33:26,000
Tvlako mvo, asohlicē ‘svwǫskēt ont.
Beans, too, she always had a pot on.
445
00:33:26,000 –> 00:33:30,454
Este restem oricat, hompicet.
When people came to visit, she would feed them.
446
00:33:30,454 –> 00:33:34,816
Nak takuecepēt ont, hompicet, arēt owemvts.
She would have something prepared, and feed them.
447
00:33:34,816 –> 00:33:41,266
Mon hvtvm, vsehkv kihocē, nak, nak sųlkē,
And then, they had lots of rules,
448
00:33:41,266 –> 00:33:47,683
uh hoktē tis, hopuewuce ocepvhanet arat,
if a woman was going to have a baby,
449
00:33:47,683 –> 00:33:52,187
vsehkv sųlkēn nak mowekot owvhaneccēs.
there were a lot of things you weren’t supposed to do.
450
00:33:52,187 –> 00:33:55,827
“Ēvkvtēcet” pukicet, pum onahǫyvtē[s].
“Be careful,” they’d always tell us.
451
00:33:55,844 –> 00:33:59,948
Centv, estowusat mv mahǫkvtē kērretskv?
How about you, do you remember what they always used to say?
452
00:33:59,948 –> 00:34:05,454
Kerrvyēt owemvtis, omvlkvn cvhosētis ont.
I used to know, but it seems like I forgot them all.
453
00:34:05,454 –> 00:34:09,277
Vkerricvko ta[ye]t ohwis, mv hv̨nkusen vkerricvyis.
I couldn’t think of any, but then I was just thinking of one.
454
00:34:09,277 –> 00:34:15,218
“Vtakhvkēn topv ohwakketvn monkot on owatskēt ont os” mahoken.
“Don’t lay sideways across the bed,” they said.
455
00:34:15,218 –> 00:34:18,143
Nak ‘ston okhoye tē kowvyē[s], mv tan?
Why do they say that, I wonder?
456
00:34:18,143 –> 00:34:26,555
‘Tit okemvts kowvk’ ont, vm onayemvts.
I’ve forgotten who it was who told me.
457
00:34:26,555 –> 00:34:31,694
Mvn naken ‘stowēt ont on okvtē tē?
How come they would say that to you?
458
00:34:31,694 –> 00:34:37,391
Estuce vtakhvkē hakēt’n owat, ohceccekot mak’t om.
If the baby turns sideways, you might not be able to have it.
459
00:34:37,391 –> 00:34:42,358
M-hm, mv, naken kic’t okhoyēt owa, mv?
M-hm, what do they call that?
460
00:34:42,358 –> 00:34:49,726
Ele hvnket–nake te?–monko tayē kicē okhoyemvte? M-hm. Ele hvnkusos.
One leg, what is it called, it was turned sideways, they said. M-hm. Just one leg.
461
00:34:49,726 –> 00:34:53,714
“Breech”, kic’t, in English, kowvyē[s]. Mowēn ok. Mowē tayes mak[es].
“Breech”, it’s called in English, I think. That’s what she means.
462
00:34:53,714 –> 00:34:57,334
Ele tat yoshoyen.
The feet come out first.
463
00:34:57,334 –> 00:34:58,390
464
00:34:58,390 –> 00:35:03,810
Mowen hvtą vnet mv eto, I mean, “eto” kicit,
And for myself, tree, I mean, “tree”, I said,
465
00:35:03,810 –> 00:35:07,022
vhvoke tekropottetv mv tempe
when you stand in the doorway,
466
00:35:07,022 –> 00:35:11,037
uh eto, I mean, “eto”:
uh eto, I mean, “tree”:
467
00:35:11,037 –> 00:35:15,535
“Vhvoke takhuerekot owvccvs” ‘stekihǫcēt owemvts. M-hm.
“Don’t stand in the doorway,” they always used to tell people. M-hm.
468
00:35:15,535 –> 00:35:19,875
“Estuce ocvhanvk[e]n owat, mv ‘stenyekcēt owēs” maket,
“If you are going to have a baby, it will be hard for you,” they would say,
469
00:35:19,906 –> 00:35:21,871
mvo onahǫyēt owemvts.
they always used to say that.
470
00:35:21,871 –> 00:35:22,980
Mv tv, pohetskvtēt owv?
Have you heard that?
471
00:35:22,980 –> 00:35:27,977
Hun-uh. Mv pohvkot owvtē tan, okhoyen ohkis.
Hun-uh. I never have heard that, but it was mentioned, I mean.
472
00:35:27,977 –> 00:35:33,233
Onkv ‘mvtēkusen mv ohfvccvn owat kērretskv?
So is that all you know about that?
473
00:35:33,233 –> 00:35:37,156
‘Mvtēkust os kowis mv rorēpin owat kērrē wit arētisen.
That’s all I can think of, but when the time comes, I might think of something.
474
00:35:37,156 –> 00:35:43,060
Uh-huh. Mowis mv nak mowakat pomeu vkerric’tv puyacekot onkv, hiyowat kiceccat.
Uh-huh. Well, we don’t want to think about those things nowadays like what you have said [about having babies].
475
00:35:43,060 –> 00:35:49,195
Hopuetake ocē vpēyvtē ‘towusekon ‘puetak oc’t owētisen,
When we had our children, we didnʻt have a problem, everything went all right.
476
00:35:49,195 –> 00:35:53,500
vkerric’tv puyacekot owēs.
We don’t want to think about it.
477
00:35:53,500 –> 00:35:58,340
Owen hiyowat mv, uh mēkusvpkv owvkē mv
And now, prayers and such,
478
00:35:58,340 –> 00:36:01,600
you know hompetv tis takuehohcen,
you know, when they’ve prepared the food,
479
00:36:01,600 –> 00:36:04,171
“Punhompepvks” cekihocisen owat,
and then in case they ask you to eat,
480
00:36:04,171 –> 00:36:07,293
hv̨nkvtēken ‘stohhuehohken,
they’ll call on one of you,
481
00:36:07,293 –> 00:36:09,650
“Mēkusvpkv punhayvs” mahokvtēs.
and they’d ask us, “Say grace for us.”
482
00:36:09,650 –> 00:36:15,578
Mv tv, ‘sēmvhayet owat maketskēt tayv?
How about that, can you say one to practice by?
483
00:36:15,578 –> 00:36:18,540
you know hompetv,
You know the food,
484
00:36:18,540 –> 00:36:20,810
ohheromketv kic’t okhoyēt owv?
to say the blessing for it?
485
00:36:20,810 –> 00:36:30,387
onkat ohheromket hompetv ‘tenheromket ohoyekv mēkusvpkv ‘stenhayetv,
they’re giving us the food to eat, so we make a prayer for people to bless it,
486
00:36:30,387 –> 00:36:32,444
mowet hayetv kērretskv?
do you know how to do that?
487
00:36:32,444 –> 00:36:33,551
488
00:36:33,551 –> 00:36:35,470
‘Stowusat kērris.
I know a little bit.
489
00:36:35,470 –> 00:36:39,953
Mv ‘te-hvtke em punvkv tv̨lkusen hiyowat ‘punahoyēpēkv,
We only speak English now [at church],
490
00:36:39,953 –> 00:36:42,909
svmon mon mahvkot owē[s].
so I don’t hardly do that.
491
00:36:42,909 –> 00:36:47,958
Onkv mv maketv maketskē tayv?
So can you say the prayer?
492
00:36:47,958 –> 00:36:50,919
Mak’tv kowvyēs. Uh-huh.
I can try. Uh-huh.
493
00:36:50,919 –> 00:36:56,438
Hesaketvmesē mucv-nettv fvccv-likat,
Our Father, at this noon hour today,
494
00:36:56,438 –> 00:36:59,160
etohkaletskat, mvto cekicēt,
we thank you for bringing us together,
495
00:36:59,160 –> 00:37:02,749
momen hompetvn ‘tenhompvhanē
now the food that we are going to eat together,
496
00:37:02,749 –> 00:37:05,826
vpokeyof, epupaket,
while we are here, be with us,
497
00:37:05,826 –> 00:37:09,566
momet takuecakē fullateu mvo vpokaket,
and those who prepared the food, too, are here,
498
00:37:09,566 –> 00:37:13,289
omv̨lkeyan epupaket, epohmērket,
be with us all and have mercy on us,
499
00:37:13,289 –> 00:37:17,905
naken tayeko momēcēt fulleyvt momē estowis,
even if we have done wrong,
500
00:37:17,905 –> 00:37:21,850
Hesaketvmesē, cent pum mērret omvlkv ‘spunwiket
God, bless us and forgive us all,
501
00:37:21,850 –> 00:37:25,941
Hiyowat mēkusvpkv-cukon fullēkv,
Now, while we are here at the church,
502
00:37:25,941 –> 00:37:31,249
hiyowat hompetv hompet, ‘tenhompeyof,
now we are going to eat the food, and when we share it together,
503
00:37:31,249 –> 00:37:33,571
omvlkvn ‘spuyekcvkuecet,
make us all strong,
504
00:37:33,571 –> 00:37:37,543
epohmerrvs kont cen pohēpēt os,
and bless us, we ask,
505
00:37:37,543 –> 00:37:40,268
cehocefkv vcacvkē tuccēnat omv̨lkvn,
in all three of your holy names,
506
00:37:40,268 –> 00:37:41,274
Amen.
Amen.
507
00:37:41,274 –> 00:37:43,508
M-hm, hę̄re-mahes, mv.
M-hm, that was very good,
508
00:37:43,508 –> 00:37:49,548
Mowēt uh, mv, mv ohfvccv opunvyehcet hvtą,
Regarding that you talked about,
509
00:37:49,548 –> 00:37:53,089
uh Hesaketvmesē onkat Ohfvnkv vrakkuehcet,
you gave honor to God or the One Above,
510
00:37:53,089 –> 00:37:56,584
mowē ‘punayetskat, mowē ąyet,
that’s how you say it and as you continue,
511
00:37:56,584 –> 00:37:58,119
respokēt ont on,
and end with it,
512
00:37:58,119 –> 00:38:00,867
mvt tąyusen mowet pǫhvyet owes.
that’s exactly how I always hear it.
513
00:38:00,867 –> 00:38:04,128
Onkv vpvltake apohicaket,
So when the others hear it,
514
00:38:04,128 –> 00:38:09,660
on owat mvo ēmeu mēkusvpkv kerrvkē tayēt owēs kowis.
they, too, can learn how to say the prayer themselves, I think.
515
00:38:09,660 –> 00:38:14,237
Onkv mvn ‘mvtēkus owen vpohkv pukic’t okhoyet owisen,
So that’s about all that we were asked to discuss today,
516
00:38:14,237 –> 00:38:18,905
hvtą estowusat hvnkē mv opunvkv
and again
517
00:38:18,905 –> 00:38:22,172
uh Hill kicē
uh Hill we say,
518
00:38:22,172 –> 00:38:27,458
opunvkv sulkēn ‘scvwepihocvtē mvo ohfvccv mv hvtvm ‘tem opunvyēcvhanēt os.
many of his stories were recorded, and we are going to talk about him.
519
00:38:27,458 –> 00:38:28,759
Nak estowa?
What is it?
520
00:38:28,759 –> 00:38:38,758
James Hill? opunvkv ocētt, mv ‘setetakuecatskvtē, owē witē.
James Hill? they have stories that you all prepared, maybe.
521
00:38:38,758 –> 00:38:53,451
522
00:38:53,451 –> 00:38:54,473
523
00:38:54,473 –> 00:39:01,163
524
00:39:01,163 –> 00:39:06,095
525
00:39:06,095 –> 00:39:14,600
526
00:39:14,600 –> 00:39:19,676
527
00:39:19,676 –> 00:39:27,887
528
00:39:27,887 –> 00:39:36,832