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Mucv-nettv nettv vkvsąppuecusen,
Today is a very cool day,
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nettv eshę̄rusēt ont on.
also a pretty day.
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Paksvnkē tat onkat Mvnte hvtą orēn ’svlicēcat,
Yesterday or Monday
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orēn hįyēt owvnkat,
it started getting really hot,
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hiyowat nettv hę̄rusēt vkvsąppuecusen
now it’s a pretty, cool day.
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Mucv-nettv Dorsey Nero yv likat mvt hocefkvt os.
Today this one sitting here is named Dorsey Nero.
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’Te-cate punvkv Semvnole, onkat Mvskoke em punvkv mvn ’tem punahoyvhant owēs.
We’re gonna speak the Seminole or Muskogee language together.
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Estvmimvn aret cencuko liket ‘ceculvtēt owa?
Where was your home located when you were growing up?
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Onkat cem estvlke estvmimvn owēt owvtēt owa?
Or where was your family from?
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Vm estvlke, town of Bowlegs enhvsvklatkv,
My family, west of the town of Bowlegs,
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vpoketv owvtēt owē[s].
is where they lived.
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Mont on, cvhēckofvn,
And so when I was born,
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Calvin, Oklahoma ‘svcvpēhoyvtēt [ow]ē[s].
they took me to Calvin, Oklahoma.
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Mowofvn ohrolopē ostvpaket oricvyat,
Then when I was four years old,
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cvcke tat vnsumkehpet hvtą rafolkvyat,
my mother died, and when I came back,
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Bowlegs rvlakit.
I came back to Bowlegs.
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Oh. Mv Bowlegs kihcat, mvt, cerke mvn vtēt owemvtē?
When you say Bowlegs, is that where your father was from?
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Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
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Cecket mvt Calvin fvccvn?
And your mother was from Calvin?
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Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
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Oh.
Oh.
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Calvin makvyat, mv
When I say Calvin,
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cvrkuce makvkis ont os. Mvn vtēt ont on.
I guess you could say my uncle. That’s where he’s from.
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Mvn ’sepupēhoyvtēt ont on.
That’s where they took us.
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Oh, Bowlegs fvccvn?
Oh, from Bowlegs?
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Ehe, mont on.
Yes, that’s right.
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Mvn rvlakvyofvn
When I came back,
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liketvt vnhere-mahekon, ąyin, ąyin,
the living situation was not good for me,
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‘Scvmvnette arvyat ‘stowis lik’t arit,
In my youth I was living in different places.
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vm vculkv oricvyofvt,
and when I came of age,
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soletawvn ayitēt [ayvyvtēt] owē[s].
I joined the service.
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Onkv mv cenahvmkvlke,
And so your family,
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ceckuce owakat, onkat cecertake owakat tis mvn
your aunts and also your brothers,
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enliket ar’ccēt owemvte,
was that who you lived with,
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mv cenliketv herekat omecicen?
because of your bad living situation?
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Oketv omusen, cvckuce Lizzy Pvsv hocefkēt Konawa takliken
Sometimes my aunt Lizzy Buzzard, that was her name, she lived in Konawa,
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Mvo vm eyackv tokot on hvtą
That was not to my liking living there with her,
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rafolkvyat, cvckuce hvnkateu
then I came back and lived with my other aunt,
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Ella Bowshoot hocefkēt liket owisen mvo ensvm vnvckekon.
Her name was Ella Bowshoot, I lived there with her, but I didn’t have much luck there.
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hvtą rafolikvyat,
I turned around and came back again
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Hvtą este mv ‘metenhvnketv mahokvnto,
Then there was a person like a relative,
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Kizzie Bender-vnkē hvtvm mvn enlikakit
the late Kizzie Bender, I lived with them.
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hvtą cvpvwv Foster Cosar-vnkē mvo enlikakit arit,
Then also my late uncle Foster Cosar, I lived there also.
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Naorken oricet ont on hēcvyat aret ę̄ suletawvn ayvyvtēt owē[s].
Seeing some bad things happening, I just enlisted in the army.
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Mowē ‘stentv̨lkusēt ont owat,
When you’re alone,
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Ecke– ecke seko kicet owēt owvtēt owēs mvo,
when you don’t have a mother,
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mowēt este enlikē ąretv ‘stem eyahocekon onkat,
going here and there living with others who are not welcoming,
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herekot owvnks makemvtok.
it wasn’t good, they used to say.
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Mowēt owvt towētes.
I’m sure that’s the way it was.
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Mowēt cecke ‘stensunkēp’n owat makemvtes, mv mowan.
When someone lost their mother, that’s what they would say.
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Matvpowusēt owvtēt owēs.
It was the same way.
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Onkv mv cokv-heckv tv, mv Bowlegs hēcetskemvte?
And about school, did you go to Bowlegs?
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Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
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O, mvn hēcet respoyetskemvte?
Oh, did you finish high school there?
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Huh-uh, monko, mvo ‘rolopē ēpakusen ahyit,
No, I only went to school for six years
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Cvpuse em vnicvyat omēcicen,
because I was helping my grandmother,
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cokv-hēckv wikvyvtēt [ow]ē[s].
and that’s when I dropped out of school.
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Mont owisen soletawv rorvyofvn,
That’s when I enlisted in the army,
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‘rolopē palen hvmkontvlaken,
eleven years,
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cokv mi heckv mvn, mv vrahkv cokv hēcvyat.
and that’s where I finished my education in the service.
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Mvn, that’s how much I got.
That’s how much I got.
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Uh-huh, mv cokv hēcetskvtē eskērkv owatē?
Did they give you a certificate?
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Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
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Mvn cenhoyemvte?
And that’s what they gave you?
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Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
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Mv, nvcowicat mahet mv soletawv ohcēyetskemvtē?
About how old were you when you enlisted in the service?
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’Rolopē palen kolvpohkaken .
I was 17 years old.
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Palen kolvpohkaken. Hvtec–cenvpicē mahekot?
17. Wait–you weren’t even 18 yet?
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Huh-uh.
No.
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Oh, mont onko. Palen cenvpice-mahekot owēs.
Oh, that’s right, isn’t it. Not 18.
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Mv, horre aretskofvn mv,
When you were in the war,
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mv nake estowē cem vtotketv owē cetothoyē mowē,
what duty did you have to do in the service,
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cenhuehhokvtē, onkat aretskvtē, cemhoyvtēt owa?
or when you were there, what duty did they assign you to?
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Nak-emkv mv eskērkv estowēn vpvkēt aretskvtē eskērkv ’stemhoyvtē? Ehe
Did you get any awards for the time that you served in the war?
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Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
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Mv nak uh, ēpaken,
That kind, six,
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vnhēckvtēt owē[s].
I was given.
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‘Ste-hokpe vlomhickv maketv.
Medals, they’re called.
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Good Conduct,
Good conduct,
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Korean Ribbon,
Korean Ribbon,
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United Nation, United Nation,
United Nation, United Nation,
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China Service, and two acommodation letters cokv takuehocvtēt.
China Service, and two acommodation letters and the papers they documented.
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Mon, mv Navy vrahkv tv, Ue-akfullv kiceccat mv vrahkv tv?
Then what about the Navy, the sailors you call them, they were for that?
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Mvt omvlkv te? Ehe.
Is that all? Yes.
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Mvt hę̄re-mahat tises
That was good.
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Mvto, mowē aretskvtē[s]. ‘Towēsekot owēs.
Thank you for your service. That’s quite good.
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Kucecvmpv maketv etepokv vnvcont epoyvyvtēt owē[s]. Tuccēnet epoyvyvtēt owē[s].
The battle star awards, I won several. I won three.
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Kucecvmpv tuccēnen makt–maket os. Mvn epoyvtēt owvcoks.
Three stars, he says. He won them.
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Mon atvme owat cemvnę̄ttusof, mv atvme owat ‘svretv, nvcowicat mahet ‘sarets–‘svretv cekerrvtēt owa?
And cars and such, when you were young, about how old were you when you learned to drive?
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Enhvtecę̄skusat,
The very first time,
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cvpvwvt “Tvlofvn ‘svcvyvs” mak’t oken, naken kicvkot [ow]ē[s].
my uncle told me to take him to town, I didn’t say anything.
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’Tem mvrahkēcvkot.
I didn’t change things.
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Mv mahe tat about 12, but I took him to town.
I was probably about 12, but I took him to town.
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‘Stonkon hapalofket,
Everything went okay, we turned around and came back.
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‘resvlahohkēn
we came back home.
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Cvnahvmke hvnke okat mv este ‘svtohketv kerrekot owēs welak’t owacce kihocen maken. Mont ostowisen
One of my other relatives told him that I didn’t know how to drive, and you all had gone around. But [my uncle said],
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“Atvme ‘svtohketv hēren omehcet rasvm hapalofket
“He drove the car the best he could and turned around and brought me back,
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rvlahket taklik’t owis” maket.
and that’s the reason I came back and am sitting here” he said.
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Onkv ąyen mv cokv ‘svtofketv ’stem etektvnēhocat mv
And as time went on, did you get permission to drive?
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‘svtofketv cokv kic’t okhoyvntok ąyet cenheckēpemvte?
they call it a driver’s license, did they give it to you?
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Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
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Estomahet hofonof mowēt
Oh, that’s something from a long time ago.
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‘Svtofketv onkat, nake te? Vketēckv owē,
Driving or, what is it? Like the examination,
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em makhoyat mvt enyekcvkēt owet
those that are given, it’s harder for them,
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’svculvke-mahe owet enheckaket owvtet makaket onayaket owē, mv tat.
so they waited until they were older when they finally got one, they said.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
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Cemvnettvhanat oweccvttis.
You were younger at that time.
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Vculkv pale-hvmken ēpohkaken? mv mahē ontskemvtē?
You were sixteen, about that age?
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Ehe.
Yes.
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Hērvttis.
That was good.
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Ohwen mv mon mv mēkusvpkv ohfvccv tv mv aret,
And how about church, did you attend
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‘cecolvtēt owv?
as you grew up?
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Ehe, mēkusvpkv-cuko, mv Yofalv mēkusvpkv-cukon.
Yes, church, that Eufaula church,
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vsē etvlwv hvnkat este Mvskoke em etvlwv rvlakvyat.
in the other nation there, the Muscogee Nation, when I came back
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’Rolopē cokpe-rakko palen, pale ostvpohkaken
in the year 1941
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Pale ostē hvmkontvlakat em mēkusvpkv-cukon escvfolhoyen,
the year I was 19, that’s when I was taken to church,
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Ąyen, ąyen, ąyen ont owisen, mvo vtotkv tokot ont owisen, vnickv tat omēcvyat
and as time went on, there was no work, but because of help,
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vcvtothoyē vtēkat, nake vtēkat,
whatever they asked me to do,
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emēkusvpkv-cuko vtotketv vcvtothoyat omēcat arit soletawv roret rvlakvyat,
whatever church work they asked me to do, I did, but I went into the service and when I came back to church,
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hvtvm mēkusvpkv-cukon aksumikat ayit
I was baptized.
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‘rolopē nvcowat kerrvkot ont owisen,
I don’t know what year that was, but
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erkenvkvn cvhayetv mahket,
they said they were going to make me a preacher,
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vcohlihocvtē[s], vnton.
and that’s when they seated me.
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Nvcowicat mahet owetsken, vculkv?
About how old were you?
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Mowof tat,
About that time,
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‘rolopē pale-hokkolen cahkepohkict owvyat kowvyē, mv mahen.
I think I was 25 years old, about that time.
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Onkv mv Cedar Creek?
So that’s Cedar Creek ?
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Yeah, Vcenv Hvcce Yofalv.
Yes, Cedar Creek Eufaula.
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Mvt Holdenville?
Is that in Holdenville?
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Holdenville te?
Is it Holdenville?
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Huh-uh.
No.
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Konawa?
Konawa?
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Konawa.
Konawa.
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Oh, Konawa fvccv?
In the direction of Konawa?
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Yeah.
Yeah.
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Holdenville fvccv mvt Cedar River. I mean Cedar Creek, I mean Cedar River. Excuse me.
The one toward Holdenville is Cedar River. I mean Cedar Creek, I mean Cedar River. Excuse me.
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Onkv mvn ohlik’t-ohlikvt onccv?
So you are the pastor there?
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Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
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Ohrolopē nvcowat mahen mv tv?
About how many years?
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Oh boy… Cenvpaket mahēt os kowi[s].
Oh boy… It’s about eight, I think.
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Oh, vcewepusēttowes mvo.
That’s been quite a while.
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Mon mv enyvhiketv owat mvo mv mēkusvpkv-cuko ofv yvhikakat mv tv, yvhiketv?
What about songs, do they sing in your church, songs?
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Hesaketvmesē vkvsvmkv yvhiketv mvo kerhoyetskēt owv?
Do you know those hymns, too?
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Ehe.
Yes.
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Kerhoyit owēt ont owisen,
I used to know, but
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soletawvn ahyet
I went into the service,
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‘punvkv vm ensomkate kont ayet yvhiketv svmon [or some of ’em] enokketv cvhvlahten.
I tried not to forget the language but I was stricken by an illness.
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Vnet–
I–
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vkerrickvt rafolket ayet ont owisen, not all of them.
my memories are coming back, but not all of them.
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Cencuko-hvmēcvlke owat mv, nake te?
Like your family, what is it?
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encuko enhomahtv owēt owetsketok mv
you were the head of the house,
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vtotketv owat, ‘towēn vtotket
work and such, how did you work
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’sēvnicet cuko hę̄ren ’pētake tis vculvkuecet owetskvtēt owa?
and raise your children at home?
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Vtotketv ’stowēn vtotketsket owemvtē?
What kind of work did you do?
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Yeah, vtotketv mv sort of mēkusvpkv-cuko em vyē em vhakv
Yeah, the work, I sort of the ways of the church,
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‘pētake vhakv doctrines kicakat
what they call doctrines,
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cuko-rakko ‘teropottēn ‘moh-onvyaket ont on ąyen
I teach the children through the Bible and as time went on,
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vculvke tatē apokēpen ąyen hiyowat
the elders were leaving us, and now
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ostusis hoktvke fullen–cahkēpen–
only four ladies–five–
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ont estuce hvmkusen epupvkēt [ow]ē[s].
and there’s just one child with us.
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Hofonvnkē tat hopuetake sulkēt ont owisen,
Long ago there were many chldren, but
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pokēp[en] vyēpat ‘mvtēkuset pum vhoskēt ont on.
as time passes, only a few of us are left.
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Mv opunvkv hofonof mv vculakat mvt
The elders that spoke the language long ago
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–nake te?–
–what is it?–
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pum vcahnąken onkat ‘sohyekcicuset pun punvyąket owemvtat.
they used to exhort or encourage us to speak our language.
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Hopuetake hiyowat awet kerrvkvhanat
The children now will be coming to learn,
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puntat you know sepekis owvhanēt owētok, oketv orat,
you know, but we may not be here, so when that time comes,
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naken em onvyvketv yacat em onvyvketskē tayv?
is there anything that you might like to tell them?
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Mv pohaket yv ‘sepohahoyat hecakat oketv hvmkis onkat,
There may be a time when they hear and see us, or just one,
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vnvcǫwusis onkat sulkēt owvhanen owat, mv hecaket,
a few, or a lot will see this video,
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tąyen okis onkv kowit kerrvkē tayet owē tayat em onvyvketskē tayv?
they will see this and thinking he is right, would you be able to tell them something?
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Ehę̄, vkocoknuse-mahet,
Yes, very briefly,
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yv hopuetake, cokv-hēckv onkat
the children, going to school, or
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emēkusvpkv-cuko encok-ele maketv
what is called the pillars of the church,
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mvnettvlkuse mvhayet mvt vm vkerrickvt mvt vm monkvt on.
to teach the younger ones, that is still my plan.
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Vculvke tateu yvhiketv kerrvkeko ont owisen,
The elders, too, they really don’t know how to sing, but
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ayvhikaket,
they can sing along,
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enhaketv hvlvtaket.
and hold that tune.
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Ont owisen ‘svhę̄rus-mahat mvt mvnettvlke lvpockusat emvhayetvn,
But the very best thing we need to do is teach are the little ones,
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nettv ocen yvhiket kerrvkēt tayit,
there will be a day when they learn,
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mucv-nettv punsomkēp’t owēt ont os ont o ‘stowisen, monkatē kowit vcehvllit
today we’re losing much of that even though I’m striving for that not to happen.
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Emvhayv mēkusvpkv-cuko arat estem vpvltakeu mvnettvlke vcoh-awet, vm pohaket,
The teacher of the church and other people’s children come up to me and ask me,
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naket ont on owak makaket,
and ask me things,
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yvteketv omv̨lkvn vm pohaket owēs em ohyvtekakit Cokv-rakko ‘stvn oc’t os kicakit,
about interpretation of the Bible, and I tell them what part of the Bible it would be in,
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Cokv-rakko Vcule, Cenese ofv,
in the Old Testament, in the book of Genesis,
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Exodus mowakat mvn mvhayakat, hvtą Leviticus owakat,
Exodus and such, I teach them that, and from Leviticus, too.
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nak-vhakv vhopvnkē tayat, ‘sēvnicvkē tayat emvhayakit hvtvm
the laws that might be broken, and things that will help them, I teach them,
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hvtą vtotkvlke ostē fullvnkē Matthew, John ton, Luke.
and the four workers Matthew, John, and Luke.
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Mont owisen, Luke mvt heles-hayvt owvtēt ont on,
Anyhow, Luke was a doctor,
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Mark mvo vtotkvt ont, Matthew matvpon, ont on, nak-omvlkat vketēcit
Mark was a worker and so was Matthew and those are the ones that I have researched.
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ohyvteketv emvhayakat yvhiketvo emvhayit. Ont owisen,
I teach them interpretations, also some singing. Anyhow,
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vcēwekot asvpaklet vpēyēt’n owat
they get up quickly and go,
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hotosvkēpet vpēyēpen vfekhonnehcit
they get tired and go, so I stop the lesson,
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hvtą pakse tis mowvkvrēs monkat tvcako hvnkis maketv tat mvn mvhayit
and try it again the next day or I’ll teach the next week
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oketv vlvkēt ont on cvccusteu emvhayet mvt omvlkvt ’res[vhv]lvtkat.
The time has come that I also teach my daughter all that is included.
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Yvhikē tayēt [ow]ē[s].
She can sing.
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Vmosuswv matvpon mvhayit ont on
I also teach my grandson.
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“Papa” mak’t on, “Nake te?” tit, “Yvhiketv cvkerrekot ont o[s]” maket,
“Papa,” “What?” “I don’t know how to sing,” he said,
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Nak estowis vpelicē asvpayet ont on, mvo maket ont on,
I usually have some silly things to add because he says things like that.
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Mont estowisen,
Anyhow,
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kerrē tayet ont owat.
he’s learning as he goes.
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Cemosuswucet? Yeah.
Your little grandson? Yeah.
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Heyv este-cate em vpakat em etvlwv ocvkē avpvkakat mv cahkēpat
These people of the five tribes,
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este-Mvskokvlke ton hvtą, Semvnolvlke
Muscogee, and Seminole,
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Cahtvlke, Cekvsvlke, Cvlakkvlke owakat mv,
Choctaw, Chickasaw, and the Cherokee,
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mowēt etohkvlket owat ocaket owvtē tat
they used to have those,
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mv fekhonnicak–, fekhonnahket owvtēs kihocen, ohwen,
but they have stopped,
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mowisen Semvnolvlke vtę̄kusēt mvt etohkvlketv owat vpvkakat mv
but only the Seminoles took part in the gatherings.
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etohkvlketv nvkaftet ocakē emonket owvtēs mahokvtēt owēs.
they still had their meetings at their gatherings that’s what I’ve heard.
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Mak’t ohoyet on.
That’s what they were saying.
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Kērretsken owat,
If you know anything about them,
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mowēt owvt’n owat, estowusat opunvyēcepetskē ta[ye]n owat kont oki[s].
you can talk a little about them, I think.
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Ekv[nv] mv etvlwvke
The tribes
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cahkēpē maketv ont on hvtą mucv-nettv ostēt etelikēt ont on,
to say five, and now today there are four together,
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cahkēpat Semvnolvke ont owisen, mvt ē-vnicvkekot owak’tē,
five, but the Semvnole don’t help themselves,
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ostat ont owisen, cahkēpet ont owisen, Cahtvlke, Cekvsvlke
there are four, there are five, like the Choctaws, Chickasaws,
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este-Mvskoke ton hvtą
Muscogees, and also
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Semvnole I mean mv ton hvtą hvmkat cvhos’t os.
Seminole I mean I forgot one.
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Cvlakke? Cvlakkvlke?
Cherokee? The Cherokees?
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Cahtvlke, yeah.
Choctaw, yeah.
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Tahlequah?
Tahlequah?
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Opunvkvt,
The language,
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etelikē owvtēt mahoket ont owisen, monkot ont on, ę̄ vkocoknusēt kerrakat opunvyēcaket
they say they’re related, but they’re not, based on the little I know about what they’re talking about,
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Ont owisen, este-Maskoke ton
The Muscogee,
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Cvlakkvlke ton, este-Maskoke
the Cherokee, and the Muscogee,
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mv tuccēnat opunvkv etenhvmkusat owēt ont os, mv hokkolat matvpomet ont owisen,
those three languages are all as one, the other two are almost alike, but
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it don’t really… mowēt ont on
it don’t really… but it is
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Mucv-nettv
Today
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nake ǫnkon ēlesket escvpakhoket awvtēt ont os. Mucv-nettv etenlik’tv kont ayet ont os.
it’s really nothing, they got angry and mad when they came. Today they want to be together as they go on.
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Ont on, nake tat
What it is,
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Semvnolvket ę̄ ‘ste omvlkv kerrvkot ont owisen,
Seminoles, I don’t know them all,
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yopaklvtkēt ont on hiyowat, mont owisen nak
but they’re behind, now, but anyway,
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etvlwv ena-hvtke em etvlwv likat,
the Nation is in the [larger] white nation,
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ocakē vpēyvkat Semvnole vpaket ont owisen,
and as it goes along, the Seminoles are included with them,
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vkerrickv enkocoknaken,
and their thoughts are getting short,
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nak cvfahlet vyēpet ont on,
things are beginning to fall away,
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mucv-nettv vtehkvkēt ont os.
and that’s where we are at today.
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Nettv ocen ę̄ topaksepvhēs maketv,
There will be a day when things will fade out,
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nak-omvlkvt ēpokepvhē[s] maketv owvtēt ont on,
everything will be lost, it was said,
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mvn oh-vyēt, oh-vyēt vhēcet vpēyvkēt ont on.
it’s going toward that way and we see it and are going with it.
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Hiyowat mv yvhik’tv hvmken yvhiketv ceyac’n owat?
Now that song, if you would like to sing a song?
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Ehe. Yvhikepv[s]. Aecem vnicarēs.
Yes. Go ahead and sing. I will help you.
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Vnokeckvt omēcicen,
Because of love,
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Vnokeckvt omēcicen,
Because of love,
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Vnokeckvt omēcicen,
Because of love,
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Hvlwe-tvlofv min.
There in that heavenly city.
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Hokvs ce! Uh-huh. Mvts ce! Mvn okvyis.
That’s it, that’s what I meant.
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Momis komet vpēyvkvrēs.
With patience, let us go on.
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Hvlwe-tvlofvn vpēyvkvrēs.
We will go to the heavenly city.
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Momis komet vpēyvkvrēs.
With patience, let us go on.
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Hvlwe-tvlofvn vpēyvkvrēs.
We will go to the heavenly city.
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Pum vpvltake vpēyvkvrēs.
The others of us, let us go on.
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Hvlwe-tvlofvn vpēyvkvrēs.
We will go to the heavenly city.
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I tried to stay up with you kihcit aecenyvhik’t owvyisos.
I tried to stay up with you, I was singing with you.
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