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Hēr’s ci, mucv-nettv hvtą
Hello, today again
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uh nettv hę̄rusen pum pvlhoyen,
we were given a nice day,
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alekothen, vpēttēt owis ‘stowisen, hvsottē puhak’t ont owis,
it’s getting warm, we were in the shade, but the sun is shining on us,
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Leon’t okat,
Leon said,
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“Vkvcoknusēt hvsottēt arētis os cē” mak’t on, kak’t owēs.
“It will only be sunny for a little while,” and were sitting.
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Mv uh “Vpoket etem punahoyvkēts” makē fulleyvnkē mvn,
We were going around for that “Let’s sit and talk”,
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hvtą ‘sepuhahoyen,
and while they record us,
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este-cate em vyetv ohfvccvn, uh cem opunvyecvhan’t okēs.
we are going to discuss Native culture with you.
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Heyvt Leon Bell’t os.
This is Leon Bell.
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Hvtvm mv nak pumvhayen onkat pum onayen,
He’s going to teach us or tell us about things,
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vpokēt ienkerrvhan’t owēs.
and we’re going to sit and learn.
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Mvto. Uh-huh.
Thank you. Uh-huh.
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Mv uh hofonof–nake tē?
A long time ago–what is it?
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Cēpanusē iececolē aretskat,
When you were a little boy growing up,
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uh este-fayvt owetskemvte?
were you a hunter?
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Uh, ehę̄, fayet vcvcolvtēt ont owisen, hompetv-rakkat vtēkusē.
Uh, I did grow up hunting, but just for big dinners.
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M-hm.
M-hm.
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‘Sēvnicvkē tayat, cufe, ero, kowike mv owakusat, mvtēkusēn fayet,
I just hunted the ones that we could use, like rabbit, squirrel, quail, and such,
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nak ponvttv rakrvke-mahat, eco owat, fayvkot. Uh-huh.
the bigger animals like deer, I didn’t hunt those. Uh-huh.
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Mv hompetv–nake tē?–pomeu puncuko vtēhkv owat pusulkēt ont on,
The food–what is it?–us too, there were a lot of us in our house
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pomeu hompetv svmowen oce-mahēkot owēt owemvts.
and sometimes we didn’t have much food for our family.
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Uh cēmeu,
Uh you too,
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mv vrahkv mv fayet hompetv hopoyet,
for that reason you hunted for food,
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vpeswv kihocat mvn ‘sēvnicet owatskēt owemvte?
the meat, is that what y’all got by with?
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M-hm, mowvhanē tvlkusen fullē monkvhan’t on
M-hm, that’s the only thing that could be done,
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nak tat elvokvt poh-vlvkvhanekot ont owat,
to fend off hunger,
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nak mowusis fayet ēvnicet,
we hunting little things like that to help ourselves,
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‘steckike ar’t ot, nak tis ehen vnackus’n owat, resyicēn owat,
for our mothers, when when we hunted, and if we got lucky, we brought it back
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hvsvthicet, ‘tetakuecak’n owat, mvn
and when they cleaned them and prepared them,
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‘sēvnicet fųllēt oketv pohhoyanvtēt os.
that’s how we got by helping ourselves over time.
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Nake owēn fayetsket owemvte?
What all did you hunt?
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Nake tē? Hompetv ohfvccv? Uh-huh.
What? The food? Uh-huh.
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Ero. Ero? Cufe. Cufe.
Squirrel. Squirrel? Rabbit. Rabbit.
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Mon fuco tv? Fuco onkat sasakwv kic’t okhoyet owv?
And what about duck? Duck, or do they say geese?
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Uh fuco tokot, sasakwv, mv tv?
Uh not duck, what about geese?
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Uh huh-uh, kowike vtēkuse mvn,
Uh no, just quail,
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fuswv owat tat mv ‘sēvnicēt owemvts.
birds, that’s how we’d help ourselves.
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Pvsatēt owen owat, lopǫckus’t ont owisen,
If we killed them, they were small, but
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lvokv ‘stem owvhanekat, mowvhanet tv̨lkusēt mvn [mvt]
to keep from getting hungry, we had to do that.
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Kowikuce lopǫckusēt ont owe ‘stowis, ‘tetakuecvkvnt on,
Quail were small, but they would prepare it,
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papēt owemvts. Uh-huh.
and we would eat it. Uh-huh.
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Mon mv–nake tē?–hēspakwvt ot owv?
And that–what is it?–is it robin?
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hēspakwv, fuswv hokpe cate. M-hm. Mv tv, hompetskvtēt [owv]? Huh-uh,
the robin, with a red breast, did you all eat that? Huh-uh,
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mowat rem ētv tat monkot os kowi[s].
we didn’t eat other kinds, I think.
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Ę̄ fuswv, fuswv kicvket tayat, kowike.
Just birds, birds you could say, prairie chickens.
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Kowike tat rakrakusat, mv tat mvo fullēt onkv, ‘sēvnicet,
Prairie chickens were just a little bit bigger, so we would use those,
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‘svmon mv tat pvpēkot owemvts.
we hardly ate those.
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Owis hvtą ponvttv mv rakrakat mvt fayetskekot owemvte? No.
But you didn’t hunt the bigger animals? No.
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Cvmvnettepēt onkv. Uh-huh, oh.
I was very young. Uh-huh, oh.
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Hvtą mvn escvfulhoyekot onkv. Uh-huh.
They didn’t take me with them then. Uh-huh.
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Onkv mv fayetv cēme tat aret kērretskemvte?
So did you learn to go hunting on your own?
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Kot, estimvt cemvhayekon, ‘stit cemvhayemvte?
So nobody taught you, or who taught you?
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Um, ę̄ vne tat pelofvn ę̄ ayvntot fayę̄t vrę̄tt,
I went out to the woods by myself and would just hunt,
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vcvcol’t owemvts, estowēt ę̄.
I grew up that way, regardless.
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Onkv mv eccv ‘stowan owet?
And then what kind of gun did you use?
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Oh, .22 caliber. Uh-huh. .22.
Oh, .22 caliber. Uh-huh. .22.
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Mvo, ‘svmon enrē sepekot onkv.
Then, sometimes there were no bullets.
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Ostusis ehen vnhēcken owat,
If I just found four,
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fąccusen kont fayet ąret, vnackus’n owat,
I would hunt and aim right at it, and if I was lucky,
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ero tat tuccēnusis pvsvtvyē tayen owat
if I could kill just three squirrels,
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mvn mēcit,
I would do that,
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enrē ostusēn ēvhopakēt arvyēt owimvts.
I would only take four bullets with me.
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Ostusēn.
Just four.
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Ostusēn. Cem vnvcke[-mahē] tat owat tvlkē.
Just four. You must have been very lucky.
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Uh, ‘stowusat vnackvntot hvtvm owe-mahekot.
Uh, I was a little lucky, but sometimes not very much.
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Monkv mvo eskērkēn mv ponvttv onkat,
So was there a special place on the animal,
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mv ponvttv lopockusē mv hompetv vrahkv fayetskat,
when you hunted small game to eat,
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eskerkēn rvhetvt owv? M-hm.
is there a specific place on its body to shoot? M-hm.
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Ę̄ hvtecę̄skusē cvmvnę̄ttusē fayis kowvyat tat,
When I first started hunting as a young man,
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ę̄ rahhit,
I just shot it,
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mowen mēcvyat ‘svcafvckēt, mont owisen, cvcke tatē “Mowē rvhekot.
and I was happy with that, but my mom said “Don’t shoot it like that.
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Ekv min enrah’t owv[s].
Shoot it in the head instead.
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Ena enraheccen owat,
If you shoot its body,
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vpeswvn ehen yvmahkuec’t oncces” cvkicet owe[mvts]. M-hm.
it will ruin the meat,” she told me. M-hm.
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Mvn ehen mv ‘stowusat ehen ‘svkvtēcvhąnusēt mowen makaten,
When she had told me that, I was more careful
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fayet arvyēt owimvts, ekv vtēkusēn enrvhetv mvn [kowit].
when I did go hunting, trying to hit the head only.
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Ohwen mv mowetsken ‘sēmvhayę̄tt kērretskemvte? M-hm.
So you did that and practiced and finally learned? M-hm.
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Ohwen mv estowēn mvn ero tis elēcetskat,
And how, when you killed a squirrel,
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estowēn cecke noricet owemvtē, mv hompvhanatskat vrahkvtok? M-hm.
how did your mom cook it, for y’all to eat it? M-hm.
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Um,
Um,
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uh, nok–. Ena esse nokricet ont owemvts, omvlkvn totkvn ‘tehcet.
uh. She lit a fire and would burn all the fur on its body.
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Eckopet kic’t okhoyet owv? Eckopet? Etkocet?
Did they call it “eckopet”? “Eckopet”?
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Estowēn mahokvtē mvn vm enkerke-mahekot os cē.
I don’t know how they said it.
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Nokricet. Mv esse ennokricet. Esse ennokrihcet, omv̨lkvn.
Burn it. Burn its hair. Burn its hair, all of it.
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Uh ero no[k]rihcet, ekvn entahcet,
Burn the squirrel, start a slit down the back of its head,
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nak vpvlwvn etewahret, hvrpe owaten encahwet. M-hm.
slice down the remainder, take off the skin and such. M-hm.
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Ohwen mv ‘sakpoloke owēn hayet owemvte? M-hm.
And did she make dumplings with it? M-hm.
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M-hm, mowē tis mont onkat uh vlose tis ‘svpa[ye]n owat,
Sometimes she’d do it like that or add rice,
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mowvkusēn resohhvtvlvkusēn hakē tat, vpeswv tvlkusen onkot
and she added other things, whatever it could make, not just the meat alone.
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resensulkusen nak vpa[ye]n owat, hompetv nak ‘stelvwēt owēt onkv, nak omvlkvn
She would add to it to have plenty of food, because we were hungry so, all of it
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‘setetakueceko tayat, ero tat cųtkusēt owēt onkv.
would not be enough, because a squirrel is so small.
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Mv mowēt on. Vloson ‘svpayet ont owemvts.
That’s right. So that’s why she would add rice.
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‘Sakpoloke kihceccat.
Or add dumplings, as you mentioned.
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Hvtą hopuetake sulkētok, mvn.
And because there’s a lot of kids.
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Hvtvm pusulketok owēt owvtētok, mvn. Sulkēn.
And there were a lot of us. A lot.
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Hompetv hayet, ‘setēta[ye]n owat, hompet owēmvts kont vkerricvyēt owētes.
When cooking, they had to know how much was enough, is what I think about.
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Cēmeu cem owvkēt owemvte? Mowē, mvn mont on.
Was it like that for y’all? That’s how it was.
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Ę̄ netta tat ę̄ hvyatket yafken, vcolet ę̄ afacken, ‘safackēt ę̄ vrę̄tt owvk’ kowvkat.
The day would become morning, afternoon, and grow old, and just enjoying, and we just thought we were happy.
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M-hm. ‘Stemērketv kerrēkot ę̄ pucul[ak]vtēt o[s]. M-hm.
M-hm. We grew up not knowing poverty. M-hm.
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Ę̄ ful’t owēs, ę̄ koweyat vtę̄kusēt.
We just went along with it, as we should.
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Hompetv min ocet. Mowen, custakeu.
There was food. And eggs, too.
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Hokkolusis ocēt on owat,
If we had only two eggs
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Punvcowē makcat owēt onkv
Like you said, there was a lot of us,
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gravy mowusis hak’n owat custak’ hokkolusat norihcet aktēhen owat.
if she just made gravy and cooked two eggs and put them in there.
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M-hm. Omvlkvt custake ‘stowusat vpvyēpēt ont. Mvt eggs gravy kihocē mvt owv? M-hm, mvt ont os.
M-hm. All of that, with just a little bit of eggs. Is it what they call eggs gravy? M-hm, that’s what it is.
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Este hvnket maket hocēf– “Hompvyvtē-sekot os” kici mv tat owisen, mvn
One person called it [that]–“I’ve never eaten it,” I told her,
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mvn okhoyvtēs. Mvn hayetv kerrvkot os, mv tat.
but that’s what she meant. I don’t know how to cook that.
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Onkv hiyowat ‘stowusat etem punahohyēkv,
So now that we’ve talked a little bit,
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uh hvtą nak ētv opunvyēckv ocēt os.
we have another topic to discuss.
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Hiyowat mv
And now
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lucv hahicetskēt owat kerrēkv, mv
we know that you make turtle shell rattles,
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–nake tē?–cuko-rakko hoktvke espvnakat,
–what is it?–that the women at the ceremonial grounds dance with,
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‘svkvsaken hę̄rat ‘svhvpalofēcet ‘pvnakēt owēs.
rattling them good and dance around the fire.
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Orēn ‘shomahtohoyen,
As they are really being led,
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mvn mowet lucv hahicetskēt owat kērrēt owēt ont on,
and we know that you make those kinds of turtles,
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mowisen, estowēt ‘svlilehcet hahic’t owat tis kę̄rrē-sekot hakepēt ont on.
but we’ve gotten to where we don’t even know how to start making them.
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Uh estowusat pum onayetsket on owat kont mvn–uh, nake tē?–onayen owat
If you could tell us–what is it?–tell us,
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este kerrakēs kowit, uh ont on okēs.
I believe people would learn, is the reason.
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Hofonvnkē tat ‘sohtēhkv onvpvn ‘sēvnicaket owemvtis,
Long time ago, they used the top part of a boot [for lining],
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hiy[ow]at ‘sohtēhkv mv use-akvtē
now the boot that they used to use,
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‘svmon vtēhet fullvkekot onkv,
they almost never wear them,
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wakv-hvrpe rakkē min ocvkēt owēt onkv,
they have big pieces of cowhide,
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resenrakkē mvn nesvkvhan’t ot etewarwic’t,
they buy a bigger piece and cut it up,
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mvo ‘soh-vpoyet.
that’s what I attach them to.
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Mv wakv-hvrpe kicetskat mvt lucv ‘setehvlvthicēt
The cowhide you mentioned, do you attach them to each other
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uh lvputlvkē owēn vhvpokēt,
in a line and place them on it,
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kot, nekēyvkvhanekv mv ‘svhvlvthicet owak’t owv? M-hm.
or are they attached so they won’t move? M-hm.
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Mowen hvtvm hompetv-hayvlke ‘sēvnicvkvhanat,
It’s for the cooks (the women) to use themselves,
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este tat estowēn ehen ‘tetakuecehpvcc’ kont owat, ent owēpēs ę̄ vnet em vkerrickv tat.
it’s up to that person however they want them made, that’s my thought.
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Esherąkusēn owēn hayetvn komet,
You try to make them as nice as possible,
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‘safvcketv vrahkvt o[s].
it’s to celebrate with.
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Mv mont on wakv-hvrpe onvpv ‘svmon oh-oce-mahekot ont on. M-hm.
I fix them so that they are not completely on there. M-hm.
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onvpv tat ‘soh-vwvnawicet
And on top where they are tied down,
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heckvtēken oces mvt ‘stonkon owes mon estowis vnet
sometimes they show and it’s okay,
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enheckv ‘semvnąckusis owate koweyat ę̄
but me, I want them to look appealing,
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‘svmon mowē hecke-mahekon kont ‘tehvpot owēt ont o[s]. M-hm, m-hm.
I don’t want [the laces] to show too much, that’s how I put mine together. M-hm, m-hm.
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Onkv mv estofv mahen lucv hopokv uh ‘svlilēcetskēt owa?
About when do you start hunting for turtles?
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Um… meskē hakē about uh
When it’s almost about summer time,
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April mahē, mv mahē.
about April, about then.
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Ohwen mv lucv eskērkvkēn ohhopoyetskēt owv? M-hm, m-hm.
Do you look for a special kind of turtles? M-hm, m-hm.
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Lucv eskērkvkēt owvhanehą?
Does they have to be a special kind of turtle?
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Uh-huh. Hvtvm, hvtvm nak makhvnt owi[s], nak
Uh huh, I want to say something else about that,
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Este em vkerrickv tat estowēn vculēpet owat ent owētok.
Some people have their own thoughts, depends on how they grew up.
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Vnet mv cvcke tatē mv vm onayvtē mvn em punvkv ‘sēvnic’t owit ont on, pum onayvtē[s].
As for myself, some of the things my late mother told us, her sayings, are what I rely on.
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Lucv lanuc[e]. Mv ‘sēvnicit,
The brownish turtles. That’s what I use,
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rem ētv tat,
the others,
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oklvstlvte mahus owē fullēt ont os.
there’s some out there that are very dark.
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“Mv tat ’sēvnicekot” maket ont on.
“Don’t use that kind,” she said.
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Vntat mowvkat vtēkusēn ’sēvnic’t owēt ont on.
So that’s the only one I use.
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Onkv, mv lucv nettv omvlkvn hopoyetskēt owv?
So then, do you hunt for the turtles every day?
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O, tektvnkēt on hak’n owat mvn hopoyvyēt owēs, hvtehąkhakusen ont owat.
Oh, when I have a little time, I look for them, if it’s really early in the morning.
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Nvcowat mahen ele hvnkat yv?
About how many are required for one leg?
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uh
uh
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–nake tē?–vhopoyetv. Ennvcomē? ‘Svwvnawicetv, nvcowet owēt owa?
–what is it?–to put on. The number? How many are needed to tie on?
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Vntat, vn– mv hēcket onkv, eight? Uh-huh.
Myself, you can see them, so eight? Uh-huh.
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M-hm.
M-hm.
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Onkv ele hvnket eight ton hvmkat mvo matvpowen onkv,
So one leg has eight, and the other is the same,
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pale-hvmken ēpaket owv, lucv? M-hm.
and so it’s 16 all together, the turtles? M-hm.
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Onkv mvn ąret,
So after a while,
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omvlkvn ‘shehcet,
when you find them all,
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ena owat mv hvsvthicet ‘tetakuecetsket owv? M-hm.
are you the one that cleans the body and prepares them? M-hm.
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Onkv omvlkv tohkvlkē hopohyet,
So you look for them all together,
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M-hm, omvlkv ensulkēt. Orihcet? Tąyen oricen owat, ’tehopoyetv vlicēcet owēt ont os.
M-hm, the whole number. When you reach it? When I get enough, I start putting them together.
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Onkv mv ena ofv mv hvsvthicetskat,
So when you clean the inside of its body,
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uh, estowēt ofv kvrkapēt owa, lucv?
how does the inside of the turtle get dried up?
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Oh. Lucv hvrpe ena ofv.
Oh. The inside of the turtle.
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M-hm, omv̨lkvn omvlkvhanat.
M-hm, the whole thing, all of it.
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ena ‘peswv omvlkv encawvkat,
we remove all the body flesh,
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kvrkvpēt ont on. M-hm. Hofone-mahusekon. Uh-huh.
and then they dry up. M-hm. Not very long. Uh-huh.
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Mvn ‘sēvnicetv,’sēvtotketv mvn mvn hayetskemvte?
And to help you, did you make this tool?
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M-hm, mvt ont o[s]. M-hm, hę̄re-mahēt os.
M-hm, that’s it. M-hm, it sure is a good one.
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Enrahkv vcakv[ha]nt ot os.
It looks very expensive.
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Hiyowat vcacvkē hakēt os.
Nowadays everything is high.
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Sepekot owet os. M-hm.
There’s none of these. M-hm.
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Estvmin ayetsketo estowis, eshehcecceko[s]. M-hm.
Wherever you go, you can’t find one of these. M-hm.
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M-hm. Naken kic’t okhoyēt owa? Mvn…
M-hm. What is it they say? That…
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Naken, “custom made”?
What is “custom made”?
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Yv hvsvthickv vrąhkusat, mvt. M-hm, mvt ont o[s].
This is only used to clean them. M-hm, that’s it.
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Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
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Hakkuce owat mvt monko tayet, hvtą
Like a spoon won’t do either,
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eslafkv mvo lvpotketvt owē?
and a knife is too straight?
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M-hm, mēcet hvsvthicet ohwen.
M-hm, that’s how you clean them.
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Estowet centv kvrkvpuecetskēt owv, kot ofv hvsvthicat?
When you clean the inside out, how do you dry them?
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O, ę̄ hvsvthicvyen owat, ę̄ hvsottē ę̄.
Oh, when I clean them, just sunshine.
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Oh, kvrkvpēcet, uh-huh. Mvt kvrkvpēcet os.
Oh, it dries them, uh-huh. It dries them out.
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Hofonof mvt tvkoca…um
A long time ago, the ants…um
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Tvkoca hute? Uh-huh.
The ant hill? Uh-huh.
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Mvn rem oh-vpoyet kic’t okhoyemvtis, nak ‘stowēn wi[kakemvtē]–mv tv, ēvkvtēcekvket hak’t owē?
They used to say to lay them on an ant hill, what happened–why are they more careful?
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Uh nak estonkot owē[s] mēcakē mont ont owē[s], ę̄ vnet
There’s nothing wrong with it, they still do that, but me
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vnet estonkon mvt enhvsvtkēt estowen cvyacvhan’t on owat, yvt
I do it my way, according to how clean I want it,
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estomahusekon ‘sēvnicvyatē[s]. Omvlkvhąnēn, omv̨lkvn encawikv. M-hm.
because I’m the one that wants to clean it to the best of my ability. I get almost all the inside out. M- hm.
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Hvso enhiyēt ę̄ kvrkvpēc’n owat, mvt.
When the sun’s heat dries them out.
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O, mvt hę̄re mak’t onko? Ohwen hvtvm
Oh that’s good. And again
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uh tvkoca hute oh-vpohoyat kihocat mvo
some people put them on an ant hill too
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mv ena estowusat mv hacvfvkv owusat mvn
but the ants feed on the body and also the sinews and that,
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enlowvckē–nake tē?– ‘shvlvtusēt owvhanvtē mvn enlokvkēpēt os kic’t ohketskv? M-hm, yeah.
the soft part–what is it?– where it’s supposed to connect, they eat that up, is that what you said? M-hm, yeah.
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Mowes. Uh-huh, yeah.
I see now. Uh-huh, yeah.
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Mon owat enlvpkēn takockē? Mowē, uh-huh.
If they do, it cracks right away? That’s right, uh-huh.
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Ohhompetv oh-vpoyetsken owat, nettv tuccēnen, osten or’n owat, yv ‘svpvkēn lokakēt on.
If you laid them out on the table, in about three, four days, they’ll eat all that up also.
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M-hm. Ohwen mvn hvtvm cvto vtēhetsken owat,
M-hm. When you put the rocks in,
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mvn nvfkaketv tvkohlēpet os. M-hm, mowe enlvpkē.
they hit against it and they crack. M-hm, that’s right, real fast.
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Ohwen mv svkvsakvhanat ‘stowen vtēhetsket owa?
And for it to rattle, how do you put them them in?
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Heyv, heyv. Hvokē monken vwik’t owi[s]
Right here, here. I left an opening there
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enrakkē tayē tan, mvn
that’s big enough.
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Mv cvto, cvto nvcowat mahen–mvtēkusēn?
The rocks, about how many rocks–is that all?
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Huh-uh. Res ensulkē! O, rensulkēn? Ehę̄, enhakēn.
Huh-uh. More! Oh, more? Uh-huh, it’s the sound.
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M-hm, akhottetv cvyacekot o[s]. Akhottin owat, ehen karpet onkv. Oh.
I don’t like to close it up. If I close it, it dries up [that way]. Oh.
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Apvlvtkē tayēt ont on, owvn ehen aklihcit,
[The rocks] can fall out, so I set it in water,
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hvse eskērkv hokkolen mahen hoyanen owat,
after about two hours,
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enlowvckē hak’n owat, akhotket o[s].
when it gets soft, it closes.
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Owvn? Owvn akpihket? Oh.
Water? You put it in water? Oh.
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Momis hofǫnnēn ehen owēt owen owat, mv tat mowe-mahheko witē[s] ę̄ hvte hvsvthicetsken owat, mowēt ont on oki[s].
But if it has been a long time, it maybe wouldn’t do it. But just after you’ve cleaned it, it does [get soft].
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Uh-huh, hvte hvsvthicetsken owat, uh-huh.
Uh-huh, if you’ve just cleaned it, uh-huh.
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Enhakē estowēn ceyac’n owat, yv tv, yv tv…
The sound you want is a little like this, like this…
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M-hm. Estowusat yacusē monkvt ont o[s]. M-hm. Oh.
This one needs a little bit more. M-hm. Oh.
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Onkv mvn owvn akpiketskof, mvn
So when you put it in the water,
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mv hacvfvkv owē owat lowackof, ‘makhottetsket owv? ’Stowusen, uh-huh, uh-huh, yeah.
the sinew softens, and you close it up? Uh-huh, uh-huh, yeah.
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Estowēcēt mēcak’t owētē kowvyēt owvt[ē]t oki[s]!
I always wondered how they did that!
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Mowen mēc’t owvyēt onkv,
That’s the way I do it,
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este ētv tat uh ‘tehvpoyakat ienlik’t hecvkot owēt onkv,
but I never sat and watched other people put theirs together,
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estowēn mēcak’t owat vm enkerke-mahekot. Uh-huh.
so I don’t really know how they do it. Uh-huh.
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Este omvlkvn mvt enkerretv mvhayakho[yvtē], ecke onkat erke mvhayakvtē, mvn
What everyone has been taught, what their mother or father taught them,
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em vyetvn kerrvkēpet owet onko,
that’s how they know their ways,
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vneu you know cvcke hahicis hēcvyvtēt owētisen,
just like myself, I have watched my mother make them before,
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cvcųtkusēt owet, hecetv cvyacekon,
when I was small, I didn’t want to see it,
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“Vsin vyvs,” cvkihocen, wikimvts.
and she told me, “Go away,” and I left.
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Owisen, kērrvyvtē kowit o[s].
But now I wish I had learned.
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Estvmahēt ot os kowit.
It’s wonderful, I think.
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Mowen ’sēvnickvt owat, nak, cvcke tatē maket owemvts.
Those were things that would help me, my late mother used to tell me.
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Onkv mvn hvtą yv enhvohicetv mvo
Then to make holes in the shells,
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uh estowēcēt mv tv mēcetskēt owa?
how do you go about doing that?
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Eskērkvhąnus owēn enrolahlēc’t owvyēt ont owen. Uh-huh.
There’s a certain way I make the holes. Uh-huh.
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Yv onvpv tat cvto tat nafken owat,
When the rock hits the top here,
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‘svhere-mahat tokot, ’senherus-mahat heyvt nvfkvhan’t owet ont o[s]. O.
it’s not as good, it’s better if it hits here. Oh.
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Svmo[me]n enrolahlēcvkot ont owē[s], heyv.
Oh. I don’t make many holes here.
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Yvt, yv enrolahlēcvyate ‘sem akhottvhanvyat vrahkvn
Here is where I make a hole to close it.
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Mvtēkusen rolahlehcit.
That’s all the holes I make.
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Onkv mvlek– mv tis kę̄rrvyē sekatēs.
Well I didn’t even know about all this.
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Mv lecvt, mvt uh tvkvcwvhąnen wiket–nake tē?–remhvhanekat.
So the bottom part is left hard–what is it?–so it won’t wear thin.
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Oh. Enhake tat ’stowe-mahuseko tat res ossicus ’stowis,
Oh. Even when the sound of it comes out,
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vhopvnkvhanekat, vcewusē tis ’sēvnicvkē tayat. Uh-huh.
it shouldn’t break, so they can use them a little longer. Uh-huh.
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Owis mvt, mvt yv ra, era fvccv owētok, mvt.
So that, this is toward the back part.
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Estowusat tvkvcwusēt owv, esetv, yvt?
So is it a little harder?
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No, entvk–no, mont on,
No not really,
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tvkvcwe tis ‘tem omakvhanet on. O mowet owv?
the hardness is both about the same. Oh is it really?
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Tvkącwusat tokot o[s]. Uh-huh. Momet on.
Itʻs not really hard. Uh-huh. That’s right.
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Enrolahlēcis o, este tis enrolahlēcen owat. Oh.
If holes are made, if people make holes. Oh.
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Tvkohlēpet on hēcit.
Oh, they do crack, I see.
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Mowvhanekvt vrahkv em enrolahlēcvkot.
I don’t make holes in it so that doesn’t happen.
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Oh! Hoporrenk’tv ocepetskēt owat tis kicis! Wow! Here-mahēs!
Oh! So you have had a lot of knowledge about this! Wow! Very good!
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Vntis kērrvyē sekatēs. M-hm.
I didn’t even know that. M-hm.
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Ohwen mvn mēcetskof mvn, mv eswvnakv ki[ce]ccisē mv ‘setewvnawįc’ mehcet
So after you do that, the laces you mentioned, you tie them all together.
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M-hm, yv vtēkusen, yv vtēkakusēn. O. Mont onko? Yowusat. Uh-huh.
M-hm, just this much, just this much. Oh. It is? Just like this. Uh-huh.
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Mvtēkus. Oh. ’Svhvnkvn [‘svhvmkvn] mēc’t ǫhos kont, vhorkē.
That’s all. Oh. I always thought it was threaded all over.
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Mowen mēhocet, este tat mēcaket owēt ont os.
That’s how they do it, some people do it that way.
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Mv enhakē ’mvrahecicēpēt ok?
Because it may change the sound?
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Mvn kerraks cē. Muffle owēt ǫhą?
I don’t know about that. Does it muffle it?
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Uh, mowe-maheko witēs kowit o[s], ę̄.
I don’t think it actually would.
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Vntat ę̄ uh mowvtēkē heckekot on owat uh
As for me, I don’t like it to show that much.
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Uh vhoyopkv ‘sem vnąckusē owē tayat mvn ’svkerricvyat
When people notice it, I want it to look very nice.
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M-hm. Mēce-mahvkot ont o[s].
M-hm. That’s why I don’t hardly do that.
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Hvtą lucv vrakkueckv em ocēpat, mvt.
Also you have respect for the turtle.
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Mvt, mvt uh here-mahatt os kihocvnto, lucv.
Those, those, uh are well thought of, they used to say, the turtles.
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Mv oketv vrvhanvkat vrahkv hofǫnnēn lucv fullet onko? M-hm.
Because of the long lifespan the turtle has, isn’t it? M-hm.
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Mv vrahkv tis kowēt witēs.
It might be for that reason.
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Onkv nake ētv maketv ocetsken owat? Nak– uh
Do you have anything else you want to say? Something, uh
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‘sēvnickv nak
to help yourself,
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cuko tis, cencuko tis
a house, your house
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uh sopakhątkusē kic’t okhoyet owemvts. M-hm, lucv hvrpe?
When it’s faded, they used to say. M-hm, the turtle shell?
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Uh-huh, lucv hvrpe sopakhątkusē liket eshēcetsken owat,
Uh-huh, if you find a turtle shell that’s really faded,
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uh tofahpet,
uh crumble it up,
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lopųckusē toko ę̄ tofahpet, cuko enkvnvwvn vpopuec[ets]ken owat,
not finely, just crumble it and put it around the [outside] corner of your house,
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nak tis hotvlē, hvnvcofelv-rakko tis ąren pohvkēt owet ont on,
then when you hear that a strong wind or a hurricane is coming,
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nak mowakat tis, mvo hotvlē yekcē hotalen nak hopvnhuecē tayat,
either that or a strong wind comes along and breaks things,
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mvt ‘stowusat ‘tekvpicēcet vnickv mvt ont os mahoken,
it will be a help splitting the wind a little, they used to say,
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cvckvlke tatē makaket on fullet owemvts. Vneu vnvcowēn vfvstvyēt o[s] ę̄ estont on–nak mowetv
that’s what my parents would say. And I also have taken care like that a few times.
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en..what uh nak vfvstetv
uh to take care of it
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en mak’tv ocē tis owēt ont owisen ę̄
there just has to be some sort of saying for this,
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‘punvkv vtēkusis estowis, estowusis em punayet vpopuecetsken owat,
even if it’s just a few words, if you talk to it a little, as you put them down [in the corners],
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mont os kont. M-hm.
knowing it will work. M-hm.
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Mon mv hvtą lucv tis nene ohlik’n owat uh–nake tē?–ohcvllēcekot onkat,
And also if a turtle is on the road–what is it?–you donʻt run over it or
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hvtą ‘stv tis aren hēcetsken owat,
if you see one somewhere,
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vrakkuecet, naken estowēcekot pukihocēt owemvts.
you respect it and don’t do anything, they used to tell us.
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Hvtą ayakhvnkv tis ohcvllēcetsken owat,
And if you accidentally run over one,
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tenētkat vrahkv pohvkēt owēs makēt okhoye[mvts].
you’ll hear thunder because of that, they used to say.
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Mowē owis os kont hvtą
I kind of think it does,
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vkerricvyēt owē[s]. Lucv rakko tis ohcvllēcvk’n owat.
when I think about it. If you run over a big turtle.
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M-hm. Yafkē ayat tenētkēt o[s], pohvyēt owēs.
In the evening, it thunders, I’ve heard.
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Mowisen mvn mahoken pohit, vcvcolemvtok, mvn.
That’s what I always heard growing up.
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Kot, tąyen okhoyvt[ē]t os kowvyēt oki[s].
It seems like they were telling the truth, I think.
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Nak mowat tat ehen mēc’tv toko mahokēmvtē pohis ‘cvcolvtēt on okces.
Things like that we always heard that we werenʻt supposed that, youʻre right, I grew up hearing that too.
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M-hm.
M-hm.
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Onkv uh
So
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‘punvkv herąken pum onahyeccekv,
you told us about a lot of good things,
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nak mowat kerrvyvtē-sekot, vntat vne mąhusat, vneu, nak
things I’ve never known before, as for my own self.
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Mowat kerrvyvtē-sekon vm ona[ye]t okecces. Iecenkerrehpis.
Things you’ve told, I never knew of. I’ve learned from you.
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Hiyomē ‘sēvnicakat
Now as they help themselves,
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vkocǫknusis onvyvhanet owi[s], heyv. Uh-huh.
I’m going to tell this briefly. Uh-huh.
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“Ribbon Dance” mahokēt owēt ont o[s].
“Ribbon Dance”, they say.
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Takfulwv opvnkv mak’tv,
Ribbon dance, it’s called,
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nak mak’tv tąyus-mahat tokot ont owis,
the words that I speak might not be exact,
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hompetv hayvlk’ ‘pvnak’n owat,
if the women are dancing,
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lucv ‘svwvnawicet ‘pvnak’n owat,
if they tie their shells on and dance,
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ohrolopē hv̨mken hapalofiket rvfo hahket,
when one whole year has passed and it becomes winter,
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rahapalofiket ralekothen owat,
and when it comes back around and starts to warm up,
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paskofv hvwēcetv, mvn mēcak’t owēt ont o[s], yv
they open the dance ground,
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‘svwvnawicaken owat, takhvsvtecaket,
if they tie these on, they are cleaning the ground,
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paskofvn takhvsvtecak’t owēt ont on,
they are cleaning the dance ground,
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hvtecę̄skusē ‘svlicēckv
the very first one to start with,
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mv mont o[s].
is that one.
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Hompetv hayvlk’ tat mv mowē ‘pvnakat mvhenwēt ont,
When the women dance, it shows the truth of it,
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mowē paskofv fulląkus monk[ak]at
those that are still attending
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’sēvn– fullvkvhan–fullvhaneyat,
the way we are going to be,
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pum etetakuehcet, res ohrvfehcet, mvt.
they prepare [the dance ring] for us and then the men take over,
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honvntake tat ‘tetakuecak’t owet ont o[s], paskofv.
and prepare the dance ring.
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Oh. Kerrekatēs.
Oh, I didn’t know that.
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Mowisen herąken pum onahyetskes.
But you have told us a lot of good things.
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Hiyowat fēkvpvhanēs.
Now we’re going to take a break.
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Fayvlket owvtet maketskiskv, owisen
You had said you were a hunter, but
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hvtą este-cate honvnwv rvro ‘makwikv hę̄rat ‘mvnvckvkē tis fullēt ont o[s].
some Indian men are really lucky at fishing.
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Centv, mv tv?
How about you?
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Rvro ‘makwiyet, hompetv heckuecet aretsket owemvte?
Did you go fishing and provide any kind of food?
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Vntv̨lkus mahat, arimvt ont owisen,
I used to go all by myself,
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mowis vpēyēt owemvts.
but they would go.
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Omvlkvt cuko tak-vpokeyat omvlkvt vpēyvntot.
Everyone in the house used to go together.
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rvro ‘makwiyet, cakkēn owat, resyicvnt ot, estecke tatē
we would go fishing, and if we caught some, we’d bring it back and our late mom
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totkv etecēt onkv, matan noricēt owemvts, noricēt owemvts.
would have a fire going and she would cook it right there, she would cook it.
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Mvn fvccv-likat tis onkat yafkat tis
At noon or in the evening
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mvt punhompetvt owemvts.
that was our meal.
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Cuko tokon, [mv] min roriceyvntot.
Not at the house, but right when we got there.
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O, matan ak-vpoket, akhvsē onkat…
Oh, you all stayed there by the pond or…
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No, hvccet owemvts.
No, it was a creek.
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Hvcce? Rvro-‘makwikv Hvccen kihǫcēt wakkēt ont owemvts, north of Cromwell? M-hm.
A creek? They used to call it Fishing Creek, up there north of Cromwell? M-hm.
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Uh-huh. Yeah, kind of north, north of there.
Uh-huh. Yeah, kind of north, north of there.
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Hvcce Mēkusvpkv-cuko kerretskv? Hvcce Mēkusvpkv-cuko likema.
Do you know River Church? Where River Church used to be.
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Suttleville enhvsatlatkv fvccv.
It’s west of Suttleville.
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O, monkot os kowi[s].
Oh, I don’t think I know.
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Hvcce takwakket ont on, hvcce,
There’s a creek there,
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North Canadian mvn–nak tē?–vyē–, vyēpēt ont omen, hvcce. Uh-huh.
it runs into the North Canadian. Uh-huh.
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Oh. Wakket ont on, mvn ‘makwiyēt owēmvts. Uh-huh.
Oh. That’s where it was and we would fish. Uh-huh.
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Onkv mv rvro rakcawatskof, mvn cecke tat, uh,
So when y’all would catch the fish, your mother
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totkv hayvntot, vlicēcvnt on, mvn
would build and start a fire,
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hompę̄pet ak-vpokę̄patskēt owemvte?
then that’s where you all would sit around just eating?
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Yafkē homp’tv tis.
Even the evening meal.
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Uh-huh. Hompepeyvntot, rvwēpēt owemvts. Oh
We would eat and come home.
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mv hēret os. Mvt onkat’n owat, pulvokv punhakē tayat.
That’s good. If it hadn’t been for that, we would have starved.
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Onkv afvcketv vpvkēt fullę̄patskemvtē, mv ’tohkvlkus’ owēt?
So y’all made it like a fun time, being all together?
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Mvt owemvtē[s], vtelokēkv. Vwahē fullēkot.
That’s right, we were all together. We were not separated.
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M-hm, m-hm. Mvt owēcicen, ’makwiyetv owvcuken. Hvtvm,
M-hm, m-hm. Because of that, we were fishing.
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uh nak, hvcce tis rakke-mahat tokot on owat,
If the creek wasn’t very big,
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vhahwv lane hopoy[ey]vnt ot.
we’d go look for green walnuts.
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Nak, sokcv enrakkē–sokcv ‘sokpvn kic’t okhoyēt ont owv?
A big sack–did they used to call it a toe sack?
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Mowan vtēhvntot.
They would put them in there.
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Lvcpehcet.
They’d get it wet.
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eto talē tis oh– oh-etewelvpkēn ohwakkēt ont on ‘sohlicvntot,
If there was like two hollow logs almost together,
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em paccēt owemvts.
we’d pound [the bag] with those.
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Em paccēn owat, owv ak-orēt’n owat,
When we’d pound it, if it reaches the water,
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rvro ‘mahyomhicet ont o, esak-ossēt ont on. Akcawēt owemvts.
it would make the fish dizzy and they’d come up. We’d catch them.
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Mowē mahokat pohvyvntes.
I used to hear them talk about it like that.
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Poison owēn okho[ye]s kowit.. Huh-uh. Vmpvlset monkot homēt on okhoyēt.
I thought they were talking about poison… Huh-uh. My husband said no, it was just bitter.
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Vhahwv. Vhahwv lane. Opēckvt ehen owvn akcvnken owat, ‘mahyomhēcakēt o[s].
Walnut. Green walnut. When the sap mixes with the water, it makes them dizzy.
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Hvtą nak cem onvyvhan’t owi[s]. Este-hvtke ‘punvkv resohrvfecarēs. Uh-huh.
Now I’m going to tell you something else. I’ll probably add English in.
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’Makwiyēn owat, vculvke tatē
When the elders used to go fishing,
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ohtofkakēt owemvts.
they would spit on it.
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Rvro enhomp’tv mēcen owat, ohtofkvntot.
When they were putting the bait on, they would spit on it.
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Mvt vnvcketv vrahkvt ont on, rvro ‘makwiyaket.
It’s for good luck for fishing.
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Mowat cvwakēt on, nak ‘stowen mowēn cvwak’t ont owetē?
They were catching them, how were they catching them?
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Vnvckvnton, hvtvm vtofket ę̄
They would get lucky, and they’d just spit on it.
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Hvtvm vtofket ę̄ enres ak-vwihkit owemvts. Cvmvnę̄ttus ont owis, avcvcolēt ayat,
I’d spit on it again and throw my bait in the water. I was young, but as I grew older,
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mahen mowof tat, heleshayv ‘te nute vfastv hiyowē tat
at that time, the dentists like now,
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omahekot owēt onkv,
there weren’t that many,
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en– encokwv enfvmecē ocēt onkv,
you have your own smell in your mouth,
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rvro tat nak enfvmecēt ‘yacvkēt onkv.
so the fish like different kind of smells.
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Mvt vnvcketv makak’t owēt ont o[s].
That’s why they said you had luck.
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Mv mowēt on cakkakēt owemvts. Uh-huh.
That’s how they were catching them. Uh-huh.
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Onkv mv… Onkv mowen
And then
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ohtofkvntot, onkv naken ‘sēvnicet mvn–nake tē?–
you used to spit on it, so, what did y’all used to use–what is it?–
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“Cokfunwv” kihocat, mv te? “Cofonwv”. Uh-huh.
“Hook”, it’s called, is that it? “Hook”. Uh-huh.
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Mvn naken ‘sēvnicet ‘sem akwiyet ontskemvtē?
What did you used to fish with?
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Wenahokv? Kafvnakv? Uh-huh, kafvnakv.
Bugs? Earthworms? Uh-huh, earthworms.
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Kafvnakv or yvlv kic’t okhoyvntos kont, hvthokat.
Earthworms or grubworm is what they called it, I think, the white ones.
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M-hm, yvlv, uh-huh kērris.
M-hm, grubworm, I know.
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Mv sowēsowē hakate? M-hm. Uh-huh.
The one that turns into a cicada? M-hm. Uh-huh.
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Mvt, mv ‘yackv mahet owet onkv, kafvnakv enkorrēn owat,
That’s what they really like, if we dug earthworms for [the fish],
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hēcen owat, ę̄ omvlkv oh-vpēyēt owē[s].
you’d see all of them go towards it.
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Yvlv ‘yacaket.
They liked the grubworm.
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Onkv mvn– [Mo]mis, res ak-vwikeko monken, ohtofkeccen owat,
So then– Before you throw [the bait] in, you spit on it,
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mvt, mvt ont os makakēt on. M-hm.
that’s the way it is. M-hm.
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Mvn estowusat mvn heleshayv hecvkekot.
There were a few that didn’t see the dentist.
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O. Enfvmecē ocēt owēt onkv. Uh-huh.
Oh. It has a smell, so. Uh-huh.
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Onkv hvmkusēt, hvmkusen ohtofketvt ohą? M-hm. O, uh-huh.
So you spit it on it just one time? M-hm. Oh, uh-huh.
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Mon mv uh ‘ste hvnket hoktē,
There was one lady,
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“Naken hayetv cem vnvcke-mahēt owa?” kicin,
I asked her, “What are you good at making?”
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“Ocē akcvnke” makvnks. Hmm.
and she said “Hickory nut sofkee.” Hmm.
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Mv nake tē, mv? Ocē poloksē,
What is that? Hickory is round,
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you know, hvrpe tvkacwv, ocē cvpkucē toko, mv
you know the shell is hard, not like the pecan,
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hickory nut kicvkē mv estowēt hvsvthic’tvt owa?
what they call hickory nut, how do you you clean it?
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Mvn vnkerkekot os cē.
I don’t know about that.
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Oh, really? Uh-huh, mvn vnkerre-mahekot os.
Oh, really? No, I don’t know anything about it.
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Mv hickory nut poloksat.
The hickory nut that is round.
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Uh-huh, ‘towvn ok[ec]cat kērris. Tvkvctvwēt onko? M-hm, kērris.
Uh-huh, I know which one you’re talking about. They’re hard, aren’t they? M-hm, I understand.
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‘Svtokucen esnafket,
Do you hit it with a hammer,
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mv vpeswv ocat mv iencvwetv.
to get that meat out.
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Hompicvyēt ont owisen, mv nak ētv ‘sēvnickv mv kerre-mahvkot o[s].
I used to eat it, but it has other uses, I don’t know anything about it.
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Owis mv tvkocen hvsvthic’t[e]tv mvn kerrecceko. Unh-uh.
You don’t know how to clean it. Unh-huh.
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O. Ę̄ enfottit acaw’t owimvts.
Oh. I just dug it out.
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Ah mvn mēc’tvt owēs kowvyēt on.
That’s what you’re supposed to do, I guess.
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Onkv enka mvn
So okay then.
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Onkv hervken pum onayetskat hiyowat hę̄rat
Itʻs been good to listen to you tell us these things now.
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Rvro ‘makwiyv kerrēpis.
I know how to fish now.
420
00:27:51,750 –> 00:27:57,627
M-hm mvn ohtofkvntot. Uh-huh, mēcarēs, omvlkeyat uh-huh pohēkat.
M-hm, you spit on it. Uh-huh, I’ll do that, all of us that have listened.
421
00:27:57,627 –> 00:28:03,055
Onkv opunvkv herąken mvo vpoket [pohhēt] onkv,
So we have heard a lot of good things
422
00:28:03,055 –> 00:28:12,074
kakēt ‘tem punahoyēkv, hvtą apohicet, kerrēpet, uh ‘sēvnicet fullepvkvccvs kowēt ona[ye]t okēs.
as we have sat here talking, you should go about and listen, and learn helping yourselves, that’s why we are telling you these things.
423
00:28:12,074 –> 00:28:14,625
Onkv mvto mv pum onayeccat, hvtvm.
So again thank you for telling us these things.
424
00:28:14,625 –> 00:28:15,833
M-hm, mvto!
M-hm, thank you.
425
00:28:15,833 –> 00:28:22,073
‘Tehecvkvrēs, hvte ētvn!
We will see each other again!
426
00:28:22,073 –> 00:28:27,573
427
00:28:27,573 –> 00:28:31,830
428
00:28:31,830 –> 00:28:32,831
429
00:28:32,831 –> 00:28:33,853
430
00:28:33,853 –> 00:28:40,542
431
00:28:40,542 –> 00:28:45,475
432
00:28:45,475 –> 00:28:53,981
433
00:28:53,981 –> 00:28:59,056
434
00:28:59,056 –> 00:29:07,267
435
00:29:07,267 –> 00:29:16,288