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Hokvs cē! Hvtvm mucv-nettv, nettv hę̄rusen pum pvlhoyen,
Now! Today we’ve been given another beautiful day,
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netta hiyētahanis [hiyēt owvhanis] owētisen, hvthvyvtke mvn makeyvnkkv,
It looked like it was going to be a hot day, but we set the time in the morning, so
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uh mucv-nettv hiyowat mv vculvke “Vpoket eten punahoyvkēts” makē
today, now, the elders, “Let’s sit and talk”,
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William & Mary mvhakv-cuko reshvlwat likat mvt
at William & Mary university,
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vpohkv ha[ye]t owvk’t ot on mvn, mēcvhan’t owēs.
at their request, and we’re going to do it.
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Ohwen mucv-nettv mv cokvpericvlke vlahokat mvt uh
so today our two guests have arrived,
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hvnket yvt Jackson Barnett os.
one is Jackson Barnett.
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Hēsci, Jackson. Hēsci.
Hello, Jackson. Hello.
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Ohwen heyvt u ervhv,
And this is his older brother,
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mvt Bill Barnett hocefkvt os.
Bill Barnett is his name.
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Ohwen hofone-mahen–hofone-mahusowen mvn welakat hecit, uh
And I used to see them together a while back,
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‘tecakkakat, etecakkakat owat kerrvyēt owvnks.
and I knew they were close kin.
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Ohwen mv ēwvnwv, Stella? Lena-t owvnks, mvn.
And they have a sister, Stella? [Her last name] was Lena.
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Mvn kę̄rrusvyēt owemvts.
I knew her real good.
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Cvcutkusanusē [Cvcutkvhanusē] arvyof, mvn kerrvyēt owēmvt on.
When I was little, I knew her.
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Opunvkv ‘punahoyet ont on, mvn en–etem punahoyet, nak tis ‘sem vpohakin,
They both speak the language, so we are going to talk together, and I might ask them things,
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vnnaorvkē hakekon owat, mvn ‘tem punahoyvhan’t owēs.
and if they don’t get tired of me, we are going to talk.
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Onkv mv, vlahokaccat ‘sepofvckēt os, puncukopericet.
So we’re happy you both came, visiting us.
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Ohwen mv Barnett, hocefkv mvt,
And the name Barnett,
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nake tē, mvt?
what is it?
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Eufaula fvccv, fullēt owemvts, sulkēt, Barnett hocefkv.
Uh towards Eufaula, there’s a lot of Barnetts towards that way.
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Mv centv cem estvlke? Barnet estowat owatskv?
Are those your people? Which Barnetts are y’all?
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Cecket on, cerke onkat?
Your mother and your father?
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Purke tat Tony Barnett hocefkvt owemvts.
Our dad’s name was Tony Barnett.
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Pucke, Rhoda Cato Barnett mvt owemvts.
Our mother was Rhoda Cato Barnett.
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Oh. Uh-huh. Mon mv cepuse ton cepuca take owat tv, mv hocefkvt ‘sawvtē, mv tv?
Oh. And what about your grandma and grandpa, and the name they came with?
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Mvt vkerr– Kerrēkot, iepuculakvtēt o[s]. Yeah.
We didn’t know–We didn’t know them when we were growing up. Yeah.
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Kerrēkot, mv vculakat tat. Uh-huh. Oh. Es–
We didn’t know the older ones. Uh-huh. Oh.
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Pokepēn? Fullen hēcvkēt ont owisen, este ‘stowat.
They had passed? We would see people once in a while,
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mvt owat kerrēskot on.
but we didn’t know who they were.
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Pum mowē hakēt vpę̄yēt ont os kowvyēt ont o[s].
It’s beginning to happen to us, is what I think.
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Mont on mvn, mowēt sulkēt fullēt owemvtok.
So that’s why there were a lot of people like that then.
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Hvtą, “Cvnahvnkvlk’t owēs” maket, uh
And they would tell us, “We’re relatives,”
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cvrke pum onąyet owemvtt ont on mv,
my dad used to tell us that,
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estowat owatsken owat kont on mvn, vpoh’t ont oki[s].
that’s why I was asking which ones you were.
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Onkv– Punahvnke fullakat, Francises, Belchers.
So–Some of our relatives who are around, the Francises, the Belchers.
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Mowat fullakat. Oh, kerhoyis. Uh-huh, mvo kerhoyis.
Those that are around. Oh, I know them. Uh-huh, I know them too.
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Onkv mv estvmimvn vpokēt, cencuko hvmēcvlke owat onkat, cecke–mv one household kicakhą?
So where did ya’ll live, your family or your mother–do they say “one household”?
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Mv estvmin vpoket ‘ceculvkemvtē?
Where did you all live growing up?
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Eufaula tvlwuce likat,
The little town of Eufaula,
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mv fvccvn, tuccēnat mahe.
toward there, about three [miles].
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Uh mv hvsaklatkv fvccv? Uh-huh, fvccv.
Toward the west? Uh-huh, toward it.
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O, mv vpokēmvts, mv fvccv, pumeu. West Eufaula Church mv fvccv?
Oh, we lived there, too, in that direction. Toward West Eufaula church?
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Mvt owa? Mowen, ‘senhoyvnusē.
Is it that way? But a little further down.
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Mv hvlwē likema, Eufaula fvccv avtvkat, hvlwē likēt on.
There’s a little hill, coming toward Eufaula, there’s a hill.
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Mēkusvp–mvhakv-cuko oketskat Mountain View mv fvccvn,
There’s a chur–as you mentioned, toward Mountain View school,
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yi fvccvn liket owēmvts. Mowen mēkusvpkv-cuko, Eufaula, West Eufaula mvn liket.
it was on this side. And there’s a church there: Eufaula, West Eufaula.
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Nene rahiyowat, mvn vpok’t owēmvts.
There’s a road that goes like this, and that’s right where we lived.
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O, onkv mv mvhakv-cuko Mt. View mvn hēcatsket owemvte?
Oh, so did y’all go to school at Mt. View?
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Ohrolopē hvnken welak–, vntat mvn arimvts.
We went–I went one year.
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Yv mv cvcke mvn ayvtēt owēs, mv. Vntat vyvkomvts. Monkot uh-huh.
My mother went there. I didn’t go. No, uh-huh.
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O mvt hvtē…Vlicēceyof, “Vyvhantskēs” pukihocen, cvki–cvki– cvkihocen, “Vyvhanvks!” ‘stekice hayen.
Oh, when you first…When we first started, they told me, “You have to go to school!”, and I told them, “I’m not going!”
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“Jackson mvt vyekon owat, vyetvn cvyacekot os” kicin.
“If Jackson doesn’t go, I don’t want to go, either,” I said.
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“Netta palusat mahē mvn ececak-aren vlicēcetsken, wikepvhēs” mahohken.
“You can start and go with him for about ten days, until he quits” they said.
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Monkv tvcako hokkolat mahe aremvts.
So he went about two weeks.
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Nak estowat wikemvtē? Orēn hvkihket?
How come he quit? Was he crying a lot?
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Hvkihket ont owemvte? Mowat tawv.
Was he crying? Probably so.
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Deer’s Chapel maket hvtvm. Oh. Mvn Highway 9 ’bout, mv likat mvn
Again there’s what’s called Deer’s Chapel. That’s on Highway 9,
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Mountain View mvn wikeyof, mvn vlicēc’t owēmvts.
when we left Mountain View, we started there.
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Yvkvpetv… vkērkv hokkolat mahen. Yeah. Yvkapēt ont owēmvts.
To walk… it was about two miles. Yeah. We used to walk.
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Vhopvyēt onko? M-hm. Monkv Deer’s Chapel mvo, hokkolet owemvts.
It’s a long ways, isn’t it? M-hm. And Deer’s Chapel was two miles also.
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Mv vpokeyat
Where we lived
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svhalek– “cemetery” nake kicvkēt ont owa?
how do you say “cemetery”?
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’Tvhopelk-sulkv? Yeah. Mvn likēt owemvts, mv vpokeyat mahē, and uh…
A lot of graves? Yeah. There was one there around where we lived, and uh…
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yv fvccvn ahwēt, Highway 9 roriceyat hvtą yv fvccvn.
we’d come this way and reach Highway 9, this way.
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M-hm, mon mvo mv Deer’s Chapel mv cvrke mvn hēcvtēt on maket owemvts.
My dad said he used to go to school at Deer’s Chapel.
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Onkv mv–nake tē?–“Hopįyēn yvkapet fullēt ont os” makąkēt owemvtēs.
So–what is it?–they always used to say, “We had to walk a long way”.
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Hvte–hvtvm cvrvhv Cvnēnv, owen hvtą cvrvhv, Lo hocefkv mvt uh mvo
And my older sister, Cvnēnv and my older sister named Lou, also,
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Mountain View tohfullēt owvtet makakēt owvnk[s]. Ohwen pun–mv West Eufaula Church likat
they said they all went back and forth to school at Mountain View, where that West Eufaula Church is
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–nake tē?–hvcce wakkat fvccvn mvn vpokēt. Mvn vpokatskat? Uh-huh.
–what is it?–we lived toward the stream there. That’s where you all lived? Uh-huh.
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Uh-huh. Mvn kērrvyēs. Uh-huh, “Hopiyēn mvo yvkapet fullēt owemvts” makaket owemvtes.
Uh-huh. I know it. Uh-huh, and they also said it was a long ways to walk.
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Highway 9 ayetsken owat,
If you’re going down Highway 9
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mv Deer’s Chapel mvhakv-cukuce likat,
to where that Deer’s Chapel school is,
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fettv merry-go-round ohliken, oh-vpǫkēma likē monkvt os.
there’s a merry-go-round outside that we used to sit on, and it’s still there.
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Uh-huh, mv cvto cukot onko, mv cvto–naket–native rock kihocat, cvto, mvt onko?
Uh-huh, it’s a rock [school] building, isn’t it, that rock–what is it?–it’s that native rock, the rock, isn’t it?
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Merry-go-round, mv, mit emonkusen likēt monkvtok. M-hm.
The merry-go-round is still the same.
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Mowēt on hēcvyēt owēs, mv fvccv ąyin owat. Hofonēt onko? kihcēskos
I noticed that everytime I went that way. It was a long time ago, wasn’t it? we shouldn’t say
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Hvtą ayin owat, resfekhoniyit, atasikit,
When I go there again, I stop, I get out of the car,
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merry-go-round ohco[miket]… Yv ‘secehopaken?
and get on that merry-go-round…. He pushed you?
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‘Secehopaken akkopvnepvccvrhą?
He’ll push you and y’all will play?
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Onkv mv ‘mvhakv-cuko, mv ‘mvhakv-cuko vlicēcatskat mv,
So when you all started school,
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‘te-hvtke em punvkv onkat wvcenv em punvkv kērraccet owemvte?
did y’all know English?
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Vntat vlicēcat, naken kerrvkot, cvhocefkv mvn vtēkusen kērrin.
When I started, I didn’t know nothing, I just knew my name.
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Onkv cēmeu kerretskekot owemvte? Oh.
And you didn’t know either? Oh.
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Owat uh, mv estowēt aret, ąret reskērreccemvtē, mv wvcenv em punvkv?
As you went on, how were you able to learn the English language?
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Mv mvhayv tis nak mak’t okat kę̄rrvkē sekot owēmvtok.
We never understood what the teacher was saying.
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Este-catvlkucet sulkē fullēt onkv, uh mv, mvo sulkēt, keriyekot owemvts.
There were a lot of Indian kids that went there, and a lot of them didn’t know either.
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Onkat ‘te-hvtkucvlken ‘stvpaket arvk’n owat, mvn ienkerrvkēt ont on, mvn vtę̄kusen, alphabet.
So when you made friends with a white kid, that’s about the only way you learned, like the alphabet.
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Nak mowakat pum vhahohyen uh ę̄ hvteceskv ‘svlicēckv.
Those sorts of things were taught to us at the beginning.
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M-hm, mvo nettv omvlkvn mv ‘stem vhahoyen mvo kērret owvkēt owemvts kowvyvtēt owvtētan oketskes. Uh-huh, vneu, mv.
They were teaching us things every day, that’s why we learned, I thought, as you said. Uh-huh, me too.
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Kę̄rrvyē sekot on, hvkįhket owimvtt okvyis. Hvkįhket owvtēs kont ont okvyis, vneu mv cvmowemvtok.
I didn’t know anything, either, I was always crying. I thought he might have been crying, too, since it happened to me.
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Deer’s Chapel vhoyeyof, omahv rooms hokkolēt owemvts.
When we went to Deer’s Chapel, sometimes there were two rooms.
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Mvnettakat yvn fullen, ‘svculicakat yv ofv mvo ’rvtehket fullet omahv omvlkeyat.
The younger ones were here, and the older ones would all be in here, and sometimes all of us were all together.
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“The other room vpēyvks” mahoken,
They would tell us, “Go to the other room,”
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mvn rescēyēcēt omvlkeyat vpokēt,
and we would all go in and sit,
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orēn nak vcohhuehihket,
they called on me ,
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“Yvhiketv tis pum mēcetskē tat os” mahohken,
“You can lead a song for us,” they said,
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orēn cvpenkvlēt owemvts. M-hm. I didn’t want to go in there. Oh.
I was scared. M-hm. I didn’t want to go in there. Oh.
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Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
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I know, ‘stefeksonkēt ę̄.
I know, it was kind of scary.
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‘Stenke hiyowen fekhonn–, vneu cvmowet owemvtes.
Your hands shake like this—, I was the same way.
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Vntat rak– homvn racvtakhuerihocat hvkihket owemvtok.
Myself, when they’d ask me to stand in front, I used to cry.
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Cvhechǫyen kerrvkot, you know, ‘te-hvtke mowēt onkv, este hecąket on,
They kept looking at me and I didn’t know why, you know, and the white people are like that always staring at you,
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nak kę̄rrvyē sekan, ę̄ naken kerrvkot, mvn.
I didn’t know anything, I just didn’t know.
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‘Stontv [estometv] kerrvkot ę̄ mvn hvkihket owē witvyētē, you know.
I didn’t know what to do, so I just cried, you know.
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Vneu, vneu. Nak ‘sakkopvnkv okvyat, mvn ocvkēt on.
Me too, me too. The school had toys.
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Cvmhcakv haken owat, recess or’n owat.
When the bell would ring. it would be time for recess.
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Heyv cuko-ofv hvnket likat oken,
This one, he was talking about the other room,
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mv okat, hvnket hvtvm mvn liken,
and he said, this one, and the other one was sitting there,
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cvmhcakv haken owat,
and when the bell rang,
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yv fvccvn este omvlkat ‘sossēt owemvts. M-hm.
all the kids would go out this way. M-hm.
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Mowis mv vpokeyat hvnket vhvoke heyvn likēt on,
But then where we were sitting, there was another door,
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este-catucet hvnkē arat, “Cvmhcakv hak’n owat, mv tat,
and one Indian kid there said, “If the bell rings,
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yv fvccvn vpeyekot, yv fvccvn vpeyvkvhēs” mahken.
don’t go this way, go this way,” he said.
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“Owan o”, kihcēn, cvmhcakv haken, yv fvccvn pefathokof, yvn ropotēcēmvts.
“Okay”, we said, and when the bell rang, they went this way, and we went through this way.
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tuccēnet owēmvts. Vnton, este-catucvlk’ hokkolen, ‘sosiyen,
There was three of us. Me and two Indian kids went out,
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‘sakkopvnkv tat oh-vpokēn, vpvlwv tat rorihcen,
and we were sitting on the merry-go-round, and the others came,
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and uh, oh-onvyak’t owemvts. Uh-huh.
and uh, somebody told on them. Uh-huh.
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Estit owēpvt os oh-onahohyen, “Mvhayvt cehecetvn” mak’t, pukihohcen,
Whoever it was told on him, and they told us, “The teacher wants to see you.”
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mvn rescehyēn, “‘’Stv fvccvn vpēyatską?” pukihocen, “Yv fvccvn” kicēn.
So we went in, and they asked me, “Which way did y’all go?” “This way,” we told them.
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“Mv tat mowvhanaccekot owvtēs,” pukihohcen.
“Y’all aren’t supposed to do that,” they told us.
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And uh mv paddle ocēt owemvts, yvmv mahē.
And uh they had some paddles, like this.
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Mv ‘sem akrokafkv? Uh-huh. ‘Tofokv? O-oh. Uh-huh.
The paddle? Uh-huh. A board? O-oh. Uh-huh.
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Hvohvkēn ocēt on.
It had holes in it.
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Desk ocat “Ohwakkvs” cvkihohcen.
They told me to lay on the desk.
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Ohwakket kot vcomoklet? Uh-huh. “Comoklvs” cekihocen? Vcomokle hayin.
Lay on it or bend over it? Uh-huh. They told you to bend over it? I just leaned over it.
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Wha-wha-wha. Tuccēnat mahēn.
Wha-wha-wha. About three times.
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Mvn cvrokafhoyat mv tat. Mvtatēs.
That was my spanking. Like that.
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Nak eston ǫhoya konccemvtē? Yeah.
Did you wonder why you were getting spanked? Yeah.
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Owat, kērreccemvt[e]? Nak estowvyat mvn kērrikv, uh-huh mvn cvkowet. Oh.
You didn’t know? I knew what I did, uh-huh. Oh.
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Cvrokaf’t ohoyēs kowit.
That’s why I knew they spanked me.
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Mv ‘ste-cate hokkolet kiceccat ‘stit owaket hocefhokv? Kērris kowis?
Who was the other two Indian boys? I might know them.
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Cutke Beaver and Buddy Bear.
Cutke Beaver and Buddy Bear.
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And uh, Cutke Beaver. Cuko vlahohyen. Mvt oko? Cutke Beaver kic[e]ccat?
And uh, Cutke Beaver. They came back in. Isn’t it? Did you say Cutke Beaver?
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Kērris. Cutkusēt owemvts.
I know him. He was a small guy.
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Buddy Bear mvn. Mvn kerhoyahkv. It’s funny to me, you know, kerhoyahkv.
Buddy Bear. We know him. It’s funny to me.
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Purokafhoyof, Buddy Bear mvn. “Hiyowat cents” kihohcen. Mvn ‘mvrokafhoyemvtē?
When we were being spanked, they said it’s now Buddy Bear’s turn. And they gave him a spanking?
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Yvn taksehokēn.
We were standing here.
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Cutketok cutkusēt on.
He was small, really small.
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Oh.
Oh.
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Desk owat ohcenke hayet, ohliken.
He climbed up on that desk and sat on it.
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Vcomoklekot vcemke hayen. Rokafhohyen.
He didn’t bend over, he just climbed up. They spanked him.
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Vpelicēn, hvkihkvhanen, vpelihcēn. “Hey!” iepukicen,
We laughed at him, and he was wanting to cry. “Hey!” he told us,
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“Cvyahokvks!” pukihohcen,
“Be quiet!” they told us,
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“Cvhoyaccekon owat, hvtą cerokafahēs” pukihohcen.
“If you don’t be quiet, I’ll whip you again,” we were told.
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Vpelhoye hayēt ę̄ wikēmvts. Owen…
We laughed it off and just quit.
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Onkv yv tv aremvte?
And this one, was he there, too?
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Hm. O, ecoh-onvyakemvte, oh-onvyak’t owemvt cekice owemvtok.
Hm. Oh, is he the one that told on you? he said he was the one that told on you.
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Mon centv, mowēt vreccekomvte, mvhakv-cuko? Huh-uh.
How about you, you didn’t behave that way at school? Huh-uh.
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Mvt uh heteceskv mv vlicēceyat mvtatēs.
That was when we first started [school].
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O, mvtēkusēn? Uh-huh. Oh.
Oh, just then? Uh-huh. Oh.
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Onkv mvn aret, let’s see, Deer’s Chapel and resenhvlwat mvn, hvtą?
So you attended, let’s see, Deer’s Chapel and higher grades?
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Second grade-tatēs kowi[s], vlicēceyat. Mvtēkusē? M-hm.
I think it was second grade, when we started. That’s all? M-hm.
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Mountain View tat heteceskv mvtatēs. M-hm.
Mountain View was the first one. M-hm.
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Onkv, onkv mv, iececolvkat mvn nak sulkē ‘stemvhayet ohwemvtok, mv– nake tē?–
So, so as you grew older, you were taught a lot of things, that– what is it?–
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uh
uh
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hompetv tis heckuecetv yekcēt ont on owet owemvtok. Mowen mv cvcete– cvcertake mvt fayakēt owemvts.
food was kind of hard to come by. My brothers, they hunted.
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Cvcerwv, Leroy ton, hvtą Woody,
My brother Leroy, and also Woody,
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Elwood–Elwood mv ‘svculicusēt ont onkv,
Elwood, Elwood was the oldest,
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mv eccv estowēt ēyvkvtēcē ‘svretv kerrepēt onkv,
so he knew how to handle a gun safely,
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mvn mvhayen, mv lopuckusat.
so he taught the little ones.
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Mv cvcertake, mv mvnettvkusat mvt hvnket twelve mah’t owemvts kowi[s],
My brothers, when the youngest was about twelve, I think,
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mv mahet fakv ayet,
he would go hunting,
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ero, ero tis pasatēt owemvts.
he would kill squirrels, squirrels and such,
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cufe tis mvo hompvhaneyat
and the rabbits we were going to eat, too.
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Centv? Mowēt vpokatskēt owemvte?
How about y’all? Did y’all live like that?
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Puntat uh fayēkot owemvts.
We didn’t hunt.
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Mowis orēn estvmąhen rvro tat akcawēt mvn hompēt owemvts.
But then but we did fish a lot and eat it.
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O, rvro ‘makwiyet?
Oh, fishing?
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Centv, fayetskēt owemvte, monkot?
What about you? Did you hunt, no?
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O, rvro tv̨lkusēn?
Just fish?
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O. Nak ‘ston fayekot?
Oh. Why not hunt?
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Nak hvtą. Mvn vpokeyat, tolose owakat tis, sukhv tis…
Something else. Where we lived, [we had] chickens and hogs.
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O, uh-huh, mv ponvttv ocēpaccekv? O, onkv wakv tv?
Oh, uh-huh, y’all had livestock? Oh, so what about cattle?
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Wakv-ocvt owaccemvte? Ranch. Hvmken ocēmvts. Hvmken ocēmvts. Uh-huh. O.
Were you all cattle ranchers? Ranch. We had one [cow]. We had one [cow]. Uh-huh. Oh.
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Yvn assehcet, wakv tat.
It chased this one, the cow did.
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‘Pētaket ‘mvlostekot owēmvts.
Us kids didn’t like it.
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Porch owat homvn ohkakēn, kihcvkē mv tempen akkakēn,
We were sitting on the front porch, I say, but we were down there near it,
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cvmhcakv ocēt owemvts, wakv tat.
the cow had a bell around its neck.
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Ę̄ nak makvceken alētket owvcuken keriyēt, “Tokorhokvkēts” mahken,
We heard that weird sound running toward us, and he said, “Lets run!”
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yi fvccvn ahyen.
and he went this way.
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Eto takhuerēt owemvts. Ę̄ lvpkēn vcenkvkē tayen, mvn ohletiken, vntat cuko fvccvn letikit, porch owat ohlikę̄pin.
There was a tree there that you could climb fast, and he ran toward it, but I ran toward the house and just sat on the porch.
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Vcak-ayet,
It followed him,
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‘rvcemiket, aohlihken.
and he climbed up and sat in [the tree].
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Eto tempen wakv tat fekhoniyet, ‘mēhaket takhueren,
The cow stopped near the tree and stood there waiting for him,
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ohrolopē–’bout two hours mahen.
year–about two hours.
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Mv ‘sem vtvckēt owen akliken–akhueren.
It had him blocked sitting–standing down there.
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Ohlikemvts, ero owēt.
He was sitting up there like a squirrel.
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Hofonēn ohlikimvts.
I sat up there a long time.
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Cvwvnhkē haken, hvkihketv vlicēcit,
I was getting thirsty and started to cry,
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kihcvkē tis. Uh-huh. Vkerricit. Vntat cukofvn, cukofvn cēyēpit,
I’m just saying. Uh-huh. I was thinking. I went in the house,
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taklikuce tis–Hompēt vrę̄ccemvte [vrę̄petskemvte]?–nak hompet ohlikę̄pin.
biscuits–You were there eating?–I was sitting there eating a while.
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Ohlikemvts, you know.
He was sitting up there, you know.
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‘Sēenrakkē owē ies cem oh-aremvte? Hēcvken, hēcvken, cuko. Hompēpet?
He was there showing off in front of you? I saw him, I saw him, in the house. He was just eating?
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Osiyet, homvn ohlikemvts. Hompę̄pet nak ēskēt ohliken.
He came out and sat out front. He sat there just eating and drinking.
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O–eto tat vcemikit mvn ohlikin.
I had climbed the tree and sat there.
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Wakvt, wakvt nekēyekot, mvt takhueren acvhę̄cen, hēcin.
The cow didn’t move, it just stood there staring at me and I looked at it.
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Nak ‘stowen wakv mowēt ont owemvtē? I don’t know.
How come the cow was like that? I don’t know.
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Wakv hoktēt owet? M-hm. O. Yeah, hofonēn ocēt owemvts.
Was it a female cow? M-hm. Oh. Yeah, we had her a long time.
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Ę̄ em monkvt owvthą?
Was that how she was?
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Holwvyēcēt? Mowē.
Mean? That’s right.
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Yv tv? Mvo assēcet owemvte? O. Hokkoleyat.
What about this one? Did she chase him too? Oh. Both of us.
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Vculakat tat, naoricekot owemvts. O. Puntvlkusēn.
She didn’t bother the adults. Oh. Just us.
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Ohlįkin yafkemvts. Puckvlket ’stvn vpēyētt owvtēs, ‘rossicof [meant: roricet ’resyicof]
I sat in that tree till evening. Our folks had been gone somewhere and came home,
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mvn ohlikin enhuehkakin… Onkv yv cem vnįcesekomvte? No! O!
and I was still sitting there and called to them. So your brother didn’t even help you? No! Oh!
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Oh hvte cutkusē?
He was too small?
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Naken estoweko tayēkv, mvn. Iepuhę̄cet ont owisen, hompę̄pen.
He couldn’t do anything. He stared back at us, but he just kept eating.
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Wakv mvo em penkvlēt owet?
Was he scared of the cow, too?
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Wakv em penkvlkv ‘swelakaccvt’t os kowvyē[s]. Uh-huh.
Y’all were both just fearful of the cow, I think.
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Onkv mowē tis mv wakv ocet hvtą cvpofv tat hayet.
Well sometimes you have a cow like that and make a garden too.
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Hompetv heckuecet vpokaccet owemvte?
Did you all live there providing your own food?
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Nak lokcicē mvn hompēmvts, yeah.
We ate the produce, yeah.
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Pakpvkē owvkat tis, purket mvt…
Cotton and such, our dad…
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Vce owat mvo?
Like corn and such, too?
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Vcen ocēmvts. Uh-huh.
We had corn. Uh-huh.
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Onkv mvn hvtą cecketake owat uh onkat
So your parents, or
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you know, mv hoktvke hompetv hayvlke ’roricet em vnicaket owusat ‘saktehaket fullę̄pet owekat tę̄, hompetv,
you know, the women, they’d come over and help canning and taking care of the food,
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“Rvfo hompvhanēs” maket vcayēcet…
they used to say, “We’re going to eat it in the winter,” and saved it…
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Vce tat, yeah, ēcko tis hayen, mvn,
Corn, yeah, and she also made dried corn,
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mvn papēt owemvts. Uh-huh.
and that’s what we ate. Uh-huh.
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Ohwen mv commodity kihǫcat tv, cenhēceccekot owemvte?
And what about what they call “commodities”, didn’t y’all ever get those?
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Nak’t owat kerrēskatē. Uh-huh, mowēt mv.
We didn’t know what those were. Uh-huh, that’s right.
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Pomeu mvn–nake tē?–cvrke mowēt mvn vpokēt owemvts.
Us too–what is it?–my dad lived like that.
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Mowis mv fayaket, ero owat hompēt owēt mvtisen,
But they hunted and we ate squirrel and such,
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mvt ąyen mv puetake puntat pusulkē hakemvtok.
but as time went on, there were a lot of us kids.
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Pusulkēt ont on, mv cuko vtēhkv owat, punake.
There was a lot of us in our household.
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Ohwen uh hompetv hockvtē owat pum ocēkot owēt ont on,
And we would run short on flour and stuff,
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hvtą mvn cvrke vtotket pum vnic’t ont owisen mvn ‘svmon ę̄ hayepekok.
my dad was working and providing for us, but he didn’t make very much.
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Mv uh vyakhvmkvt owemvts kowit,
It was all of a sudden, I think,
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1965 onkat mv mahen commodity punhēckēt hakemvts, you know.
1965 or around then is when we started getting commodities, you know.
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Mv owis, puntat mvn early ’50s-t owē witvtē[s].
But for us, it might have been the early ’50s.
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Ohwen 1960 mahē mvn, ’65? Nak mowakat tat.
Around 1960, ’65? Things like that.
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Mv mahē owen. Nak mowakat tat punheckekot owemvts.
Around then. We didn’t get no stuff like that.
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Ohwen cheese owat punhēcken,
And we started getting cheese and such,
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orēn mv pum vnihocē hakemvts. Mv pusųlkēt owemvts, puntat.
that helped us a lot. There was a lot of us.
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Mowis Tvcako tis owvt tis Eufaula akliket,
But it might have been Sunday where Eufaula is,
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mvn rvhēcatsken owat, cem vnicvkvhēs pukihocen, vpēyēn.
they told us, “If you go see them, they’ll help you,” so we went.
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Estelepikv pumhoyemvts. O.
We were given shoes. Oh.
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Mvn vtēhēt fullēmvts.
And we wore them.
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O, puntat kę̄rresekatēs. Owis, mv tv wikephoyē witvtē[s].
Oh, we didn’t know that. But they might have stopped by then.
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Kvtopokv hvtvm pumhoyēt owemvts.
We were also given hats.
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O, kvtopokv?
Oh, hats?
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Uh-huh, soletawvlke ocakvtē, World War II, respokat mahe, nak ‘stemhoyēt owemvts.
Uh-huh, people were given the ones soldiers had around the end of World War II.
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O, mv soletawv mvhoskē kihocē “surplus” kicēt okhoyemvte?
Oh, the ones left over from soldiers that are called “surplus”?
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Mēkusvpkv-cukon vpēyvk’n owat, sulkēt mata owen ocvkēt on.
When we went to church, a lot of them were wearing the same thing.
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Hvtvm ma– Ę̄ fullēmvts. Suletawvlke owvcvlk[ē owēt]. Omvlkv soletawv–
Again– We were there. Uh-huh. Like little soldiers. All of them soldiers–
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soletawv ak-vtehket kihocen.
they would say there were a lot of soldiers down there.
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Lanvkē owēt owemvts kowit. O. I think, mv nak pumhoyat.
They were kind of green, I think. Oh. I think, the things they gave us.
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O, mv tat vpelickv herētis.
Oh, that was a good laugh.
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Onkv mowēt vpoket onkv iececulvkat mv–nake tē?–
So as you living there growing up–what is it?–
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cem vliketv owat onkat este-cate owatskat
your clan and the tribe you are,
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mv ‘towat owatskat kicet cekērricet–cem onvyakhoyemvte?
did they used to tell you and let you know what you are–did they used to tell you all?
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mv cem vliketv, like, vnet wotkot owikv.
Your clan, like I’m Raccoon clan.
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Mowat kot, cemvnnę̄ttuse cem onvyakhoyemvte?
That sort of thing, or were you all told when you were young?
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Mowvtēs kowis.
They did, I think.
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Mowis–clan owat oketskv? Uh-huh, uh-huh.
But–you mean what clan you are? Uh-huh, uh-huh.
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Naket cecket on owat, mvn vcak-ayvkēt ont o[s]. Uh-huh.
Whatever your mother was, that’s what you follow. Uh-huh.
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Pukihocemvts, puntat. Uh-huh, uh-huh.
That’s what they told us. Uh-huh, uh-huh.
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Fuswvlket owēmvts. O.
We are Bird Clan. Oh.
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Nak mowakat, ‘punvyēhǫcēt owemvtat.
They used to talk about those sorts of things.
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Mēkusvpkv-cuko tat rorvk’n owat,
Whenever you went to church,
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homphoyen owat [hompet ǫhoyen owat].
when they were eating.
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Vpelkv-hayvlke fullēt onkv,
And there were jokesters, so
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nak mowis, nak mowakat ‘punvyę̄hocen owat,
when they talked about things like that,
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“Fuswvt owis” makvk’n owat,
then when someone would say, “I’m Bird clan,”
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estet fullakat, “Vneu mvt owis” makvk’n owat,
there’d be people who’d say, “I am, too.”
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cemvnettēt on owat,
If you are a young person,
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mv ‘punayat “Cvppucet owetskēs.”
the one speaking would say, “You’re my son.”
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Or, nak ‘tem vrahrvkēt on owat, nak
Or, if they’re different,
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‘punvyēhocen owat,
and they were talking about it,
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“Ceckucet owikv, vm vnicvhantskēs.”
“I’m you’re aunt, so you have to help me.”
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Vpelkvhayv tis. M-hm.
Just being funny. M-hm.
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“Nak mowakat vm vnic’t owvhantskēs.”
“You are supposed to help me with things like that.”
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“Vm em punayet owvhantskv?”, nak mowakusat. M-hm.
“Are you going to translate for me?”, that sort of thing. M-hm.
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Vpelkv hayetv hę̄rēt owemvts. Uh-huh, uh-huh.
It was good for making jokes. Uh-huh, uh-huh.
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Vnet mvt Wotkot owit ont owisen,
I’m Raccoon clan,
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cvrket mvt uh Fuswvlk’t owēmvtok.
but my dad was Bird clan.
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Onkv mvn.
So that’s it.
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Cvrket ont owatskvcoks.
You all would be my fathers.
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Punahvnkēt owet.
We’re kin.
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Mvt ont owv? Uh-huh. Mowēt ont owv? Uh-huh.
Is that it? Uh-huh. Is it like that? Uh-huh.
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Cvrket mvt Fuswvlk’t owēmvtok.
Because my father was Bird clan.
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Mv Fuswvlk’t owaccen owat, mvn
If y’all are Bird clan,
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cvrke owēt ont owatsket witē[s]. Yeah.
you might be like my father. Yeah.
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Uh-huh. Mowē makēt okhoyēmvtok.
Uh-huh. That’s what they used to say.
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Mont owa kont oki[s].
That’s the way it is, I think.
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Monkv ‘scem vculēt ont oweyv? Uh-huh, uh-huh.
So we are older than you? Uh-huh, uh-huh.
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Tis.
Very.
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Mont on, mvn.
That’s it.
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‘Spunhoktvlēt owēs kowit. Mvnę̄ttuse lik’t ok[e]ko?
I thought she was older than us. She said she’s younger, didn’t she?
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Mvn mont on mvn ‘sestem vculhoyēt ont owat,
That’s why whenever people are older than you,
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or ‘sestem vculvkēt ont owat,
or when they are much older,
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honvntake, hoktēt owvk’n owat, ‘sem mvnettvkēt ont owat,
when you are a younger woman and the men are older,
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honvntake nak ‘sem vpǫhēskos mahokēt owemvt[ē]t ont on.
you shouldn’t ask questions of them, is what was said.
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Cvpuset pukicet, you know, pum vyetv vm onąyet owemvtt on, mvn vlahokvhan’t ont owatet, uh
My grandma, you know, always used to tell me about our ways, when they said you all were coming, uh
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mowē ‘sem vpohepetv cvnhotē tis makvyist okis.
I was kind of hesitant to ask you questions.
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Mowis mvo tąyen okhoyvttowē witēs. Owis hiyowat ’[s]towēseks.
They were probably right then about the things they used to tell us, but now it’s fine.
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Mvn este punfulhoyen owat,
When people came around,
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nak mąkē onkot owvkacces pukihocēt owemvts. M-hm.
they told us not to say anything. M-hm.
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Nak ‘svpǫhē onkot,
And don’t be asking about things,
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vculvket ‘punahoyen owat,
when you hear the elders talking,
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nak mahkot, mapohicet,
don’t say anything, just listen,
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nak mowakat uh
stuff like that,
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Friday, Saturday nights owakat vculvke mv vpokeyat roricēt owemvts.
they would come where we lived on Friday, Saturday nights.
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Nerē hakēp’n owis, yomocken owat,
When it got dark at night time,
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cuko homv mvn oceyat mvn oh-vpokēt,
we would sit out on the porch in front of the house,
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nak, nak onvkv pum punahoyet kihcvkē
and tell stories,
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nak onvkuce mahokēma mvn ’punvyēcak’n owat,
and when they told what were called “nak onvkuce” (little stories),
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nak mowakv hērēt owemvts, ’mapohicetv.
those kind of things were good to listen to.
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Nak efolo tis nak mvo eto nak oh-vpoket nak makąken,
The screech owls would be sitting in the trees saying things,
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‘stepenkvlē ‘ste hakēt owemvts, nak onaho[ye]t–nak punahoyen owat.
it made you scared when they started talking about things like that.
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“Arvtēs” mahket. Sulkēn. Uh-huh, hiyowēt owemvts.
“It once went about,” they said. Lots. Uh-huh, it was like that.
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“Puhikot [mapuhicet] mahket vlicēcak’n owat, nak mapohicetv hę̄rēt owemvts.
They would start out telling us “Listen!”, and it was good to listen to things.
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Hvtą yv chills ‘stera topvrvn haken.
You’d get chills down your back.
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Uh-huh. ‘Stepenkvlēcēt okhoyvhanat [should be: onahoyvhanat] kērret.
You know they were going to tell a scary one.
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Vfvnnaket hiyowat.
You looked around like this.
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Hiyowēt mvn ‘punahoyen owat, purket hiyowēt ohliket,
When they were talking, my dad would be sitting like this,
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‘ste mapohicen,
he’d listen,
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Jackson mvt yv fvccvn ohliken, nak
Jackson would sit over this way,
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mvn ohliken, yv fvccvn ohlikin, nak vhēcin, yvn vhēcet, nak
he’d sit over there, and I’d sit over here, and I’d look out and he’d look over here,
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‘stepenkvlēcvkē tayat yic’n owat, mvn
when things that could scare you came around,
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vfvnnaketv oh-vpokēn.
we’d sit there looking around.
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Mvt punwakketv yi fvccv cokv vpokeyat yi fvccvt on
Our bed was this way, the house we lived in was this way,
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mvo rawakketvn oren owen estowis, pupenkvlvkēt on vhoyēko tayen.
when it was time to go to bed, we wouldn’t go because we were too scared.
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Mvn rawakketv oceyat vkerricvk’n owat,
When we thought about where our bed was,
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vhoyetvn pupenkvlvkēt owemvts, hopiyēn ‘sestenhakvten.
we were scared to go because it seemed so far away.
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Pomet mv cvrvhv hoktvlēcvkēt owa[ken], vnet ‘stvmąhen ‘sem mvnettvkvyēt owētok, mv
Us, my sisters were older than me, so I was much younger than them,
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mv pulvpockusat mvt pupenkvlvkuecvkēt owēt ont on, “Hvma! Grandma onvyvhan’t os cē.
they would try to scare us little ones: “Listen! Grandma is getting ready to tell a story.
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Este penkvlę̄cvhanvnt on onvyvhanet os,” pukicvnt ot, pupenkvlvkēt on.
She’s going to tell us a really scary story,” they would tell us, and we were scared.
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Owat yv fvccvn,
And then over this way,
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yv ofv owan mvn oh-vpokēpēt on,
they sat more inside here,
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pomet, “Yv fvccv eto nak mv fvccvn oh-vpokaccen, nak cesvkvrēs” pukicet,
and they told us, “Y’all sit over here toward the trees and something will get ya’ll,”
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pum mēcaket owemvts.
and that’s what they did to us.
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Pupenkvlvket ont owis… Yes, ’stepenkvlē hakēt… Owis, ohlikusē monkvken,
We were scared, but… Yes, you get scared… But we would just keep sitting there,
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hvtą penkvlē– ‘ste penkvlēcē owē haket, ‘punayen owat,
and she [Grandma] would talk in a scary tone,
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em punvkv mv ‘skerkē haket,
and we recognized that way of talking,
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yv fvccvn ahuerit, yv fvccvn cvrke topvrv huerę̄pit owemvts. ‘Stepenkvlēcēt owisen…
and I’d stand up over here and stand by my dad. It was too scary…
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Bano Francis. Kērretskv?
Bano Francis. Do you know him?
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Kērretsket owemvtē?
Did you know him?
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Bano? Bano Francis. Banoskv Francis?
Bano? Bano Francis. Banoska Francis?
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Hocefkv mahhe mvt, mvt owv?
Is that his real name?
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I don’t know. Barney. Oh, uh-huh. Might be Barney Francis.
I don’t know. Barney? Oh uh-huh. Might be Barney Francis.
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David. Dave Francis. O, kērris, uh-huh, mv kerris.
David. Dave Francis. Oh, I know him, uh-huh, I know him.
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Vlicēc’n owat, wik[e]ko tayvtē[s]. O. Erohrvfēcet.
When he began one, he didn’t know how to quit. Oh. He’d add on.
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Nak onayat mowē onayēt owemvts.
Whenever he told stories, that’s the way he told them.
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Vculvket ponahoyen owat, nak fayē tis, fayēt fullat,
When the elders talked, they would go out hunting,
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nak mowakat ‘punvyēhocen owat, hvtą.
when they would talk about things like that,
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nak, nak fullvtē, yvhv owakat fullen hēcet, mv
things that were around, they’d see wolves and things,
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hecakvtē nak mowakat ‘punayet,
and the things they saw, they’d talk about it,
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‘punvyēchoyen owat,
when they talked about that,
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vkerrickv sulkēt nak ‘stoh-vlakēt owemvts.
a lot of thoughts like that would come up on you.
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‘Stowvkēn fullvtē mahok’n owat, heyvn hiyowēt fullēn yvn, yv naket, hecakat,
When they talked about how they used to go about, like we are now, and these things, when they saw them,
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hompetv tis makak’n owat, “Estowēn hompēmvts” makak’n owat,
if they talked about food, if they said, “This is how we ate,”
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yvhv okvyat mowakat tat,
the wolves I mentioned and things like that,
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naken ‘stowēcekot,
we don’t do nothing to them,
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vkerrickv tayvkēn em ocet, naken hiyowēt, yvhv tis mēcetsken owat,
you just have good thoughts toward them, and if you do something like this to a wolf,
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ohrolopē sulkēn o estowis, hvtą
even years later,
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‘tem punahoyēt owēs, ‘ste kihocen, monkv
they’ll talk about it with each other, they told us, so
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naken hiyowē mēcetsken owat
if you do anything to them
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yvhv fullat omvlkvt kerrvkē haken owat,
all the wolves around will know,
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ohrolopē palis on owat,
it may be ten years,
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nettv ocen mv fullat,
there will be a day when those that are around
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cenaoricahkēs [should be: cenaoricahkekos] maket
won’t bother you, they said,
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nak cem mēcvkvhēs pukihoc’t owemvts. M-hm, m-hm.
they’ll do things for you, is what they told us. M-hm, m-hm.
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Mont on mv opunvyę̄cekot mahoket owemvts.
They used to say don’t ever talk about them.
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Cvc– cvc–cvpuse… ‘Punvyēcatsken owat, hę̄ren ‘punayet. Uh-huh. Nak maketsken owat.
My, my, my grandmother… When you all talk about them, talk good about them. Uh-huh. If you say things.
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Vholwvkē, nak holwakat mēcekot.
Bad, don’t do bad things.
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Vrakkueckv em ocē owēt.
Have respect for them.
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Mowēt os.
That’s the way it is.
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Onkv mv hiyowat ‘tvmąhen ‘punahoyēkv,
We’ve discussed a lot right now,
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‘stowusat–nake tē?–mv “fēkvpkv” kihocen,
a little–what is it?–a “break”, they say,
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owv tis ēsket owen, hiyowat mvn mēcvhan’t owēs.
drink a little water, we’re going to do that at this time.
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Hiyowat hvtvm onvkucen mvn onvyvketv,
And now they are going to tell a story,
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vkerrickv owat enhakakvcokkv, or enhecvkēpē oket okekv,
the thought has come to them, or they can just picture it,
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vm on– pum onvyvkvhan’t os.
so they are going to tell us.
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Naket estowat ont on owat,
About what happened,
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mvn em apohicvket kerrepvkēs onkv pohepvkēts.
now let’s hear them and learn, so let’s listen.
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Hokvs cē. Onvyepvs, Bill.
Okay. Go ahead and tell it, Bill.
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***English
Right after the war, in fact we were on our way to Arizona, sitting in a bus station when the news about the war being over,
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and
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we were in El Paso, Texas at the time.
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And we went on to Arizona, we lived in this housing project.
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In 1948, our father got sick. They took him to the Indian hospital there in Phoenix.
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And uh, we went up there and uh
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anyway that’s where he passed away. That same evening, we came home, and we were sitting out in the yard, and
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just talking and making plans and listening to my mother, and we heard a sound.
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Like that. Real, very clear.
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And it was over there at the edge of our house. And my mother got up and
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looked around, and
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she thought maybe it was a cat or something knocking over a tin can. And she didn’t see any–, find anything, so she came back.
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It just happened that one time. We went to bed. The next night,
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I don’t remember what time it was, but it was late.
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And we heard it again from our bedroom.
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And then the next night,
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we heard it again. At that time our older brother came home.
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And we stayed in the same room together, and one of us, I think it was Jackson,
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said, “I wonder if we will hear that sound again,” cause we had heard it three nights in a row. My brother asked us,
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“What sound?”
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And we told him we heard this
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sound like somebody hitting a tin can with a rock.
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He said, “Oh.” And
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you know how you make small talk in the night?
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And I guess just about the time we started dozing off, we heard it again.
425
00:32:32,556 –> 00:32:36,843
Just like that, so my brother got up and went outside and looked around,
426
00:32:36,843 –> 00:32:46,076
said he didn’t see anything, so he came back to bed. From that time on,
427
00:32:46,076 –> 00:32:47,627
for six years,
428
00:32:47,627 –> 00:32:48,663
429
00:32:48,663 –> 00:32:50,645
Jackson and I heard that same sound,
430
00:32:50,645 –> 00:33:00,210
Every night, it would just happen one time. When we were in high school, we’d go off on an athletic trip,
431
00:33:00,210 –> 00:33:04,980
and we’d come back. It didn’t matter what time we came back,
432
00:33:04,980 –> 00:33:14,411
If we came back late, my mother would get up and say “Are y’all hungry?” and she’d get up and fix us something to eat, so that might happen, but
433
00:33:14,411 –> 00:33:22,080
it was when we were home [that] we would hear that. If we weren’t there,
434
00:33:22,080 –> 00:33:31,843
my folks didn’t hear it. But when we were there, we would hear the sound, my mother heard it, and my sister heard it and our niece, they heard it.
435
00:33:31,843 –> 00:33:38,716
So it didn’t matter where we were, ’cause we were always together. We’d go stay all night with our buddies and
436
00:33:38,716 –> 00:33:44,528
all the buddies we had at that time were all ‘ste-hvtke [white] kids and going to school together.
437
00:33:44,528 –> 00:33:54,157
We could go camping. One night I remember we went camping at Lake Pleasant several miles from where we lived.
438
00:33:54,157 –> 00:34:01,605
And uh, so we were out fishing and we came back probably 2:00, 2:30 in the morning,
439
00:34:01,605 –> 00:34:07,178
and we fried us some potatoes, and sat around talking and eating,
440
00:34:07,178 –> 00:34:13,142
and said, “Well, we better check it in here so we can fish in the morning.”
441
00:34:13,142 –> 00:34:16,138
I think there were about six of us there at the time.
442
00:34:16,138 –> 00:34:17,734
And
443
00:34:17,734 –> 00:34:27,359
just like that in the middle of camp, we heard it. Our buddies jumped up: “What was that?” But even before then,
444
00:34:27,359 –> 00:34:33,375
When we would stay all night with our buddies, they would hear it, so it wasn’t like
445
00:34:33,375 –> 00:34:39,635
a figment of our imagination because we would hear it, and whoever was around us, they would hear it.
446
00:34:39,635 –> 00:34:44,782
So it wasn’t like we made up a story that no body else heard.
447
00:34:44,782 –> 00:34:46,310
And
448
00:34:46,310 –> 00:34:55,882
so our buddies knew it and one day, this would’ve been about the sixth year because we were
449
00:34:55,882 –> 00:34:59,344
juniors or seniors in high school at the time, and,
450
00:34:59,344 –> 00:35:08,029
and one of our buddies said, “You know, I told my uncle about this. And he said you could give it away.” “Give what away?” I said.
451
00:35:08,029 –> 00:35:14,887
That sound, whatever it is. So we said, “Okay let’s try it.”
452
00:35:14,887 –> 00:35:24,160
So we had a buddy named Kenneth Blythe. And we said, “Okay, Kenneth, whatever it is that we have, whatever we want to call it, whatever it is,
453
00:35:24,160 –> 00:35:27,607
we give it to you.” And he said, “Okay I’ll take it.”
454
00:35:27,607 –> 00:35:32,156
He and I stayed up late that night, and we didn’t hear it.
455
00:35:32,156 –> 00:35:37,386
Early the next morning, we jumped up. And our buddy lived about a quarter of a mile from us.
456
00:35:37,386 –> 00:35:42,303
And uh we came running down there to his house and he was standing outside by a,
457
00:35:42,303 –> 00:35:50,204
in his yard, by the fencepost. And we got about from here to the door over there and he went like this.
458
00:35:50,204 –> 00:35:51,521
459
00:35:51,521 –> 00:35:56,672
So we went up and said “You heard it?” and he said “Yeah, I heard it.”
460
00:35:56,672 –> 00:35:58,479
He said what happened?
461
00:35:58,479 –> 00:36:08,273
We said we didn’t hear it. For several months, he heard it every night and we never heard it again.
462
00:36:08,273 –> 00:36:12,707
He had a girlfriend, she was a Choctaw girl. He said,
463
00:36:12,707 –> 00:36:18,330
“They’re getting ready to go back to Oklahoma.” He said, “Whatever it is that y’all gave me, I’m going to give it to her.”
464
00:36:18,330 –> 00:36:21,574
I said, “Now whatever you do, you be sure and tell her that–
465
00:36:21,574 –> 00:36:23,125
where you got this.
466
00:36:23,125 –> 00:36:32,792
And wherever she goes to remember that, and if she ever in turn gives it away, she’s got to tell the story to the next person.”
467
00:36:32,792 –> 00:36:41,160
The next morning, they moved and he never heard from her again, and I thought he had told her.
468
00:36:41,160 –> 00:36:45,562
And here about three years ago,
469
00:36:45,562 –> 00:36:49,750
I said, “Kenneth, did you really give that story to the girl?”
470
00:36:49,750 –> 00:36:58,188
He said, “No, I didn’t.” He said, “Because they were getting ready and we were talking, but I never told her the story.” I said, “What did you do with it? He said, “Well,
471
00:36:58,188 –> 00:37:02,540
I really didn’t do anything with it.” But he was working with a guy,
472
00:37:02,540 –> 00:37:04,660
and he gave me the name.
473
00:37:04,660 –> 00:37:07,247
And he said, “I told him that story.
474
00:37:07,247 –> 00:37:17,246
And– but I don’t know what happened,” he said, “because later he was in the construction business, and he fell off a scaffold,
475
00:37:17,246 –> 00:37:21,040
and he fell and hit his head.” And he said, “He
476
00:37:21,040 –> 00:37:30,232
lost a lot of his memory.” And he said, “I can give you the name and you can talk to him. So I called him on the telephone–this was in Phoenix–
477
00:37:30,232 –> 00:37:33,554
and he said, “Bill, I wish I could help you.”
478
00:37:33,554 –> 00:37:43,194
He said, “But I remember Kenneth telling me something.” He said, “But I couldn’t ever remember the details of it, I wish I could tell you.”
479
00:37:43,194 –> 00:37:46,135
And when he was in the Navy,
480
00:37:46,135 –> 00:37:47,341
481
00:37:47,341 –> 00:37:48,604
When he’d
482
00:37:48,604 –> 00:37:58,146
come home on leave or something, we didn’t ask each other ‘how are you?’, or you know, we didn’t hug, seem like the first thing we’d ask each other was,
483
00:37:58,146 –> 00:38:06,833
“Did you ever hear it again?” That was like the first question we asked each other. And one time he said I thought I did one time.
484
00:38:06,833 –> 00:38:12,048
He said he was on the ship, you know, and after his watch he came downstairs and
485
00:38:12,048 –> 00:38:22,036
he cleaned up and went to bed and he said he thought he heard it there where all the sailors were, you know, hanging in their hammocks and I told him I think I heard it one time.
486
00:38:22,036 –> 00:38:30,932
I said, I was in the dorm room and the window was open and I thought I heard it down below and I jumped up and I
487
00:38:30,932 –> 00:38:32,304
I
488
00:38:32,304 –> 00:38:33,757
the roommate I had was
489
00:38:33,757 –> 00:38:36,426
a Choctaw boy and he said, “Where’re you going?”
490
00:38:36,426 –> 00:38:43,122
I said, “I’ll tell you later,” and I ran out the door and I ran down the stairs and I came back and looked around and I don’t know what I was expecting to find,
491
00:38:43,122 –> 00:38:47,947
but I was looking for that can or something you know and,
492
00:38:47,947 –> 00:38:53,439
but that’s as close as we ever got, and to this day, I say to myself,
493
00:38:53,439 –> 00:38:59,453
somebody is going to come up to me and say, “Let me tell you a story,” and
494
00:38:59,453 –> 00:39:03,778
if that word ever got passed around, I want someone to come up and say, “You know,
495
00:39:03,778 –> 00:39:13,068
I hear this sound every night, and I want to stop that person and say, “Don’t tell me anymore. Let me tell you where you got this,” but
496
00:39:13,068 –> 00:39:21,436
but it happened to us, you know, after six years, it was just something that became a part of our lives and
497
00:39:21,436 –> 00:39:28,343
it was just a reminder of something that happened when my father, our father passed away and
498
00:39:28,343 –> 00:39:30,251
as I said earlier,
499
00:39:30,251 –> 00:39:39,607
if I, you can tell this story to people you know and they may be skeptical and they might think you’re goofy, you know, and
500
00:39:39,607 –> 00:39:41,352
but
501
00:39:41,352 –> 00:39:51,069
when something like that happens to you and other people know about it and not only know about it but they experienced a part of it with us, because they would hear it and
502
00:39:51,069 –> 00:39:53,012
if we weren’t around, they didn’t hear it.
503
00:39:53,012 –> 00:40:02,125
If we weren’t around, our parents didn’t hear it, our mother and sister didn’t hear it, but if we were home and it happened, they would hear. If we were at a friend’s house,
504
00:40:02,125 –> 00:40:06,101
they would hear it, but it was something that just stayed with us.
505
00:40:06,101 –> 00:40:15,261
For years. For years and years and so it just became a part of our life, and it got to the point where it wasn’t creepy or
506
00:40:15,261 –> 00:40:23,320
spooky in any way, it was just something that became a part of the fabric of our living every day.
507
00:40:23,320 –> 00:40:29,500
Mv cerket, cepakat okēs kowēt welakatsket owemvtē?
So you all felt like your dad was with you all the time?
508
00:40:29,500 –> 00:40:34,399
I think we thought that, it was a reminder.
509
00:40:34,399 –> 00:40:35,794
Mowēn kowvkēt owēs.
That’s usually what we think.
510
00:40:35,794 –> 00:40:38,464
It started with our father’s passing, and so
511
00:40:38,464 –> 00:40:44,690
you don’t forget that anyway, you know, but it was just an added reminder that we had.
512
00:40:44,690 –> 00:40:50,491
Mowis pucken em pohēmvts.
We asked our mom about it.
513
00:40:50,491 –> 00:40:57,500
Mv nak poheyat naket, naket owet, nak ‘stowen pummēc’t owa?” kiceyat.
“The things we are hearing, what’s the reason why he’s doing that for us?” we said,
514
00:40:57,500 –> 00:41:04,068
Cerket ę̄ rvlaket, ecefastet ecvhar’t os,” makemvts.
She said, “Your dad has come back and is around you watching over you.”
515
00:41:04,068 –> 00:41:07,485
So it just gave us more comfort after that.
So it just gave us more comfort after that.
516
00:41:07,485 –> 00:41:10,143
Nake ehosvhanatskekat vrahkv.
So y’all wouldn’t forget things.
517
00:41:10,143 –> 00:41:13,125
Yeah, it was a comforting thought, you know.
Yeah, it was a comforting thought, you know.
518
00:41:13,125 –> 00:41:16,264
His spirit was still with us, you know.
His spirit was still with us, you know.
519
00:41:16,264 –> 00:41:24,945
Yeah, he mentioned that when I was on that ship way out in the Pacific somewhere.
Yeah, he mentioned that when I was on that ship way out in the Pacific somewhere.
520
00:41:24,945 –> 00:41:30,250
On that big ship, it was in the summertime, and it’s hot.
On that big ship, it was in the summertime, and it’s hot.
521
00:41:30,268 –> 00:41:36,129
It’s warm down below the decks owat mvn vpokēt nocicētok,
It’s warm down below the decks where we slept,
522
00:41:36,148 –> 00:41:41,022
it’s hot in there, so I just,
it’s hot in there, so I just,
523
00:41:41,022 –> 00:41:44,043
I got up and went up on the top deck where they
I got up and went up on the top deck where they
524
00:41:44,043 –> 00:41:53,019
shoot the airplanes off and land them on top and I was just walking up there just trying to kill time.
shoot the airplanes off and land them on top and I was just walking up there just trying to kill time.
525
00:41:53,019 –> 00:42:01,073
And I can swear that I heard that thing, I guess my father was there looking after me.
And I can swear that I heard that thing, I guess my father was there looking after me.
526
00:42:01,073 –> 00:42:06,536
Mvt ont os kowit ‘yefulikit, nocēpimvts. Cenhę̄rē owēt.
It felt as if it was him, so I went back and went to sleep. As if you felt comfortable.
527
00:42:06,536 –> 00:42:15,602
Uh-huh, cefekhvmket cenhę̄rē owēmvte? Cenhę̄rē owēmvte? Cefekhvmket ot. Mowēt owēmvts.
Uh-huh, it gave you comfort. Did you feel comfortable? It was a comfort to you. It was.
528
00:42:15,602 –> 00:42:16,922
Hę̄rvtt owes.
That was good.
529
00:42:16,922 –> 00:42:19,284
Onvkv hę̄res, pohetv.
That was a good story to hear.
530
00:42:19,284 –> 00:42:22,281
Hiyowat puhē witeyvrēs, punt.
Now we’ll probably hear it.
531
00:42:22,281 –> 00:42:24,437
Yv puncukopericaccekv,
Since y’all visited us here,
532
00:42:24,437 –> 00:42:27,853
mv pohē witarēs, vneu mv “ping” makat.
I’ll probably be hearing that “ping” sound.
533
00:42:27,853 –> 00:42:32,089
If you go home and you hear that, you’ll know where it started.
If you go home and you hear that, you’ll know where it started.
534
00:42:32,089 –> 00:42:39,479
Enka. Onkv mv hvtvm mv opunvkv ‘punayē mak[ec]cisē mv
Okay. So again you were talking about speaking the language,
535
00:42:39,479 –> 00:42:46,449
cencuko opunahǫyet fullet cehosekot owvkvccvs cekicakhoyvtē[s]. Mv
you all were always told to to speak it in your homes and not to forget it.
536
00:42:46,449 –> 00:42:52,622
you know punkvpah–nake tē?–cuko kvpahket asi hopiyētis arvkat, mv
you know, when you leave home and go further away,
537
00:42:52,622 –> 00:42:55,981
“Cvhosēpvtēs” mahoket fullēt os makcisē mvn
you were saying others say they had forgotten [the language],
538
00:42:55,981 –> 00:43:05,278
Nak ‘stowēt ehosak’t owvkētē kowet makeccisē mv onayetskes mv tv estowēt ehosak’t okvtē mak[ec]cisē?
when you asked how could they forget, can you explain why they would forget it?
539
00:43:05,278 –> 00:43:13,020
‘Stehoseko tayet onko? Centv? Huh-uh. Uh-huh. Yeah, mv opunvyę̄pet arvket onkv?
You can’t ever forget, can you? What about you? Huh-uh. Uh-huh. Yeah, because we continue to speak it.
540
00:43:13,020 –> 00:43:16,608
Kot–nake tē?–
Or–what is it?–
541
00:43:16,608 –> 00:43:24,323
pun– pu–nake tē?–pun– cvcertaket, hvtą cvrvhv, cvcusvlke mvo, omvlkv ‘punahoyekv,
our–what is it?–my brothers and my older sisters and younger sisters all speak,
542
00:43:24,323 –> 00:43:27,367
mont on puhosēkot oweyvthą kont
so we never forgot,
543
00:43:27,367 –> 00:43:30,740
vpvlwvt mvt cvhosēpvtēt os makaket ont owisen.
but others say they have forgotten, though.
544
00:43:30,740 –> 00:43:35,500
Rvlaket–you know, “Vkerri[ce]ccen owat, cem vlvkvrēs” kicit,
If you come back–you know, “If you think about it, it will come back,” I tell them,
545
00:43:35,500 –> 00:43:39,037
“Kērrē tat okces” kicakvyēt o[s]. Mowē tayēt onko?
“You will learn,” I tell them. And it can happen, can’t it?
546
00:43:39,037 –> 00:43:47,385
Sulkusē fullvk’n owat, ‘punahoyet nak mowakat tat puhosekot ont owisen and uh
When there are several of us together talking, we can’t forget, though and uh
547
00:43:47,385 –> 00:43:51,405
’stin em punvyēskon owat,
If you don’t talk to anyone,
548
00:43:51,405 –> 00:43:57,332
‘punvkv maketv yekcē hakēt ont os.
it gets really hard to talk.
549
00:43:57,332 –> 00:44:02,658
Mv tolaswv ‘svwoskekot ont ohą? Mvn owē[s].
Their tongue is not used to it? Exactly.
550
00:44:02,658 –> 00:44:12,221
Hvtą soletawvlk’ tis fullen owat, ‘punahoyat,
If there had been some soldiers around that spoke,
551
00:44:12,221 –> 00:44:20,563
mv ’tepokv mowakat fullat.
those in battle.
552
00:44:20,563 –> 00:44:22,081
553
00:44:22,081 –> 00:44:27,228
Erkenvkvlke fullvtē vpvlwvt suletawv vpakakat,
Some of the other preachers who had been soldiers,
554
00:44:27,228 –> 00:44:36,115
“Nak mowakat pohēma, nak yvhiketv pohēmvts,” makakat
“Those things we used to hear [back home], we used to hear hymns,” they said,
555
00:44:36,115 –> 00:44:40,122
‘stem onahoyen mvn fullvkēt owemvts.
and they would tell people while we were there.
556
00:44:40,122 –> 00:44:53,855
Hopiyēn ful’t ont owisen, mvn nake mapohickv mēkusvpkv-cuko vpoket yvhihokat mapohicakvtē,
They were far away, but the things they had heard, the things they had heard when they used to sing in church,
557
00:44:53,855 –> 00:44:59,055
mvn vkerrickvn owen estowis, mowat
just the memory of that,
558
00:44:59,055 –> 00:45:02,705
mowēt ‘punahok’n owat, ‘stem onahoyen owat,
when they talked about it and told people about it,
559
00:45:02,705 –> 00:45:08,781
“Yvhihoken pohimvts,” ‘stekihocet owemvts.
they used to tell people they would hear the songs being sung.
560
00:45:08,781 –> 00:45:12,580
Mowēt owes. Tayet pohvkēt owemvtok.
That’s how it is. We’re used to hearing those all the time.
561
00:45:12,580 –> 00:45:20,337
Nettv hvnkat vsi Creek Nation ‘mvtotkvyof,
One day when I was working for Creek Nation,
562
00:45:20,337 –> 00:45:25,206
at that Nutrition Center, vculvke rahompeyat,
at that Nutrition Center, where us elders ate,
563
00:45:25,206 –> 00:45:27,641
cuko-ofv yvn taklikēt on,
there was a room there,
564
00:45:27,641 –> 00:45:30,948
pretty good-sized, they have meetings in there,
pretty good-sized, they have meetings in there,
565
00:45:30,948 –> 00:45:33,300
roricēt tak-vpokēn,
and we had gotten there and were sitting,
566
00:45:33,300 –> 00:45:36,196
este-hvtke hoktē ecēyemvts.
and a white woman came in.
567
00:45:36,196 –> 00:45:39,435
Ecehyet liken,
She came in and sat down,
568
00:45:39,435 –> 00:45:41,861
whoever was in charge,
whoever was in charge,
569
00:45:41,861 –> 00:45:44,486
“Pun punvyvs cē” kihcet,
said, “Speak to us,”
570
00:45:44,486 –> 00:45:48,108
told that, she told that ‘ste-hvtke lady. M-hm.
[she] told that, she told that white lady. M-hm.
571
00:45:48,108 –> 00:45:52,980
She started talking Creek, she started talking Creek. M-hm.
She started talking Creek, she started talking Creek. M-hm.
572
00:45:52,980 –> 00:45:55,229
Surpised us ont owisen,
She surprised us, but
573
00:45:55,229 –> 00:45:57,414
it was good to hear her talk,
it was good to hear her talk,
574
00:45:57,414 –> 00:46:02,910
but it looked strange to hear her talking like that in our language. M-hm.
but it looked strange to hear her talking like that in our language. M-hm.
575
00:46:02,910 –> 00:46:03,869
That was something else.
That was something else.
576
00:46:03,869 –> 00:46:09,849
M-hm. Mowēt owes. Mv, naket ot owv?
M-hm. It is. What is it?
577
00:46:09,849 –> 00:46:17,402
Brenda te? Brenda Jack, kv-catēt arvtēs? Mv Mitchell Jack?
Is it Brenda? Brenda Jack, with red hair? That Mitchell Jack?
578
00:46:17,402 –> 00:46:20,647
Mitch Jack te, mv?
Is it Mitch Jack?
579
00:46:20,647 –> 00:46:25,238
Okfuskee County Creek, or Okfuskee–mv
Okfuskee County Creek, or Okfuskee–
580
00:46:25,238 –> 00:46:29,311
District-n oki[s]. Mvt representative-t os, mv Muscogee.
I mean District. He was a representative, Muscogee.
581
00:46:29,311 –> 00:46:32,314
Mitchell, Mitch Jack, Tumbles kihocet arēt,
Mitch Jack, he’s called Tumbles,
582
00:46:32,314 –> 00:46:37,057
mv ecket kv-catēt owēs, kv-catēt arēt owēs. Mvo ‘punąyēt owēs.
his mom had red hair, but could really talk, too.
583
00:46:37,057 –> 00:46:42,472
Uh-huh, vneu. Vm punayet, “Nak mak’t okv” kont, hēcvyisat, ‘tem punahohyēt ’ska–,
Uh-huh, me, too. She talked to me [in the language] and I looked at her wondering what she was saying, and we talked,
584
00:46:42,472 –> 00:46:44,250
‘tem punahoyēt kakēpēmvts.
and we just sat and talked.
585
00:46:44,250 –> 00:46:47,277
Mowat kerrepēt owemvts, mvo, mowēt.
She knew the language, her too, like that.
586
00:46:47,277 –> 00:46:51,422
Estowakmahes kowvkēt owes. Uh-huh, tan okces.
It seems so strange, we think. Uh-huh, youʻre right.
587
00:46:51,422 –> 00:46:54,331
Hiyowēn mēkusvpkv-cuko oceyat,
This church that we have,
588
00:46:54,331 –> 00:46:59,955
mvhakv-cuko min mvn,
or the school,
589
00:46:59,955 –> 00:47:06,121
mēkusvpkv-cuko ‘svlicēceyat mvn,
when we started going to church,
590
00:47:06,121 –> 00:47:11,180
mvhakv-cuko mv min ‘svlicēcēmvts.
we started at school.
591
00:47:11,180 –> 00:47:21,747
Hvmkē rohrit, nak fettv min nak vtotkē hayet taklikin,
One time I got there and was sitting outside working,
592
00:47:21,747 –> 00:47:30,106
“Cvtopvrv mahen, “Nettv tat hę̄rus’t onko?” cvkihohcen, ahēcvyan
and behind me somebody said “It’s a nice day, isn’t it?” and when I looked back,
593
00:47:30,106 –> 00:47:34,374
‘ste-honvnwv na-lvstet mv takhueremvts.
there was a black man standing there.
594
00:47:34,374 –> 00:47:42,175
Semvnoliken [Semvnolvlken] ‘svm punayen, and hēcvyat, “Mont owēs” kicit em punayin,
He talked in Seminole, and when I saw him, I said, “Yes, it is”,
595
00:47:42,175 –> 00:47:45,608
“Nake cehocefkvt owa?” cvkicen, em onahyin, “Centv?”
“What is your name?” he asked me, and I told him, “What about you?”
596
00:47:45,608 –> 00:47:55,403
He said some kind of Bruner cvhocefkvt os mahken, and ‘tem punahoyēn,
He said some kind of Bruner, that’s my name, and we started talking,
597
00:47:55,403 –> 00:48:04,037
Semvnolik’ punvkv mvn ‘svm punayemvts. Hę̄rēn ‘punayēt owemvts.
He talked to me in the Seminole language. He talked real good, too.
598
00:48:04,037 –> 00:48:06,693
Mvo kerrvkēt on owat mvo
If they can learn to speak,
599
00:48:06,693 –> 00:48:13,343
pome mahvkvt pum puetaket kerrvkē tayet owvkeko? kowvkēt ont os. Hvtą punahvnkvlke mvo.
shouldn’t our own children be able to learn? I wonder. And our relatives, too.
600
00:48:13,371 –> 00:48:24,521
Este-cate ’punvkv ‘sem punayēt–girls osten ocvyēt on,
If we talk the language to them–I have four girls,
601
00:48:24,521 –> 00:48:33,750
‘te-cate punvkv–lopockusē fullof, ‘sem punayēt owvyē tayēt owvtētan, mēcvkot owēmvts, mvn.
the Muskogee language– when they were small, I should’ve been talking to them in it, but I didn’t.
602
00:48:33,750 –> 00:48:36,430
M-hm. Vneu matapǫwusēt os.
M-hm. It’s the same with me.
603
00:48:36,430 –> 00:48:40,625
Cokv-heckv ‘stenyekcē owēt arvkemvtok kowit, mvo, vneu.
I thought it was hard for me when I went to school, myself.
604
00:48:40,625 –> 00:48:46,257
Owisen epusetake mvt nettv omv̨lkvn em punvyąket owēmvtan, mvn.
But their grandma spoke to them every day.
605
00:48:46,257 –> 00:48:48,626
“Cvhosēpvtēs” makaken ont owisen,
Now they say, “I forgot,”
606
00:48:48,626 –> 00:48:51,012
‘towusat kerrvkēt ont owisen.
but I think they still remember a little.
607
00:48:51,012 –> 00:48:55,187
‘Secewoskē tan okces kicaken, kowvkēt ont owisen.
You’ll get used to it, I tell them, and they want to, though.
608
00:48:55,187 –> 00:49:01,011
Hiyowat vculvkētt ont owis, nak ‘punayin owat,
They are up in age now, but whenever I talk to them,
609
00:49:01,011 –> 00:49:11,010
estenkerrvkē hakēt on, and English mvn ‘svpayet owak’n owat.
they begin to understand, if you add English.
610
00:49:11,010 –> 00:49:18,488
Hiyowētis “Owvn ‘svmvtes” kicin owat,
Like this, if I tell them, “Bring me some water,”
611
00:49:18,488 –> 00:49:24,152
mv fvccvn hiyowē estowat owat, nak okvyat mvn kerrvket owak. Uh-huh, kerraket owēs.
if I make a motion like this toward it, they’ll understand which one it is I’m talking about. Uh-uh, they do know.
612
00:49:24,152 –> 00:49:28,324
Hvnket uh… Hvnket arēt owēt,
There’s one around here,
613
00:49:28,324 –> 00:49:35,647
Greek, Hebrew, oh-onayet, ‘stowusat ‘spunayet ont o[s].
she reads Greek, Hebrew, and speaks a little.
614
00:49:35,676 –> 00:49:44,607
Hiyowat Serbia mvn vketēcet,
Now she’s studying Serbian,
615
00:49:44,607 –> 00:49:49,826
pum punvkv min kerrvkē tayē tat, monko tat nak ētv min.
they could learn our language, but instead, it’s others.
616
00:49:49,826 –> 00:49:53,499
Kowvkēt os. Kowvkē svsēt owan okces.
We think that. There are some we think of like that.
617
00:49:53,499 –> 00:50:00,075
Onkv nake ētv opunvyetv onkat ocatsken owat, hvtą onayepaccēs.
So if y’all have any more to talk about, you can.
618
00:50:00,075 –> 00:50:07,802
Mowis monkot owat, mvn hiyowē fekhonnvkē witēs, oketv orēpekv.
But if not, we might stop at this time, because it’s time.
619
00:50:07,802 –> 00:50:14,166
Mvt ont os. 12:00 hoyvnepēt os. Hompetv tis nak mahokekot.
It is. It’s past twelve o’clock. No one’s said anything about food.
620
00:50:14,166 –> 00:50:15,301
Vhoyepvhanēt ont os.
I guess we are going to go on.
621
00:50:15,301 –> 00:50:17,924
Lvokv rakko kicet. Pulowakemvts makaccisē.
It became a great hunger. Like you all said a while ago, we got hungry one time.
622
00:50:17,924 –> 00:50:21,514
Pulowvkē hahket. “Pulowihocemvts” kicin.
We became hungry. “They starved us,” I’ll say.
623
00:50:21,514 –> 00:50:24,625
Wakvt omēcicen lvokvt cehlvhokvten mak[ec]ciskv.
Because of that cow, you said you almost starved to death.
624
00:50:24,625 –> 00:50:26,193
Mvt emonkusv?
Is it still the same?
625
00:50:26,193 –> 00:50:29,746
Mv rvruce kicvyisē, “Don’t throw it back in.”
Like those little fish I mentioned, “Don’t throw it back in.”
626
00:50:29,746 –> 00:50:32,178
We’ll go back and ‘coh-onvyeyvhēs.
We’ll go back and we’re going to tell on you.
627
00:50:32,178 –> 00:50:38,068
‘Stenhompicvkekot owvnks. Ę̄hę̄, kicvkeyvhēs.
And say that they don’t feed people. M-hm, we’re going to tell.
628
00:50:38,068 –> 00:50:41,088
Nak makē hayit, “Respoyvkēts!” kicvnks.
I was still saying something and she said, “Let’s quit!”
629
00:50:41,088 –> 00:50:46,038
Onkv mvtēkusen owat, hiyowen hę̄re-mahen vlahokaccat ‘sepofvckēs.
So if that’s all, we’re very happy now that you both came.
630
00:50:46,038 –> 00:50:49,011
Opunvkv hervkēn cahwēs kowis.
I think we recorded some good language.
631
00:50:49,011 –> 00:50:52,333
‘Seceha[ye]t ’cepelicēt vpelk’ hayatskēt owvten.
We recorded you all, laughed with you as you made fun.
632
00:50:52,333 –> 00:50:56,482
Nak estowusis iecem vniceyen owat, pomeu ‘sepofvckēs.
If we can help you even a little, we’re happy, too.
633
00:50:56,482 –> 00:51:02,194
Onkv, mvto, Jack–Jackson. Cēmeu, Bill, mvto. Hvtą ‘tehecvkvrēs. Mowvrēs. Mowvrēs.
So thank you, Jack–Jackson. You too, Bill, thank you. We’ll see you. We will. We will.
634
00:51:02,194 –> 00:51:08,300
Mēkusvpkv-cuko fulleyat mvn– cukopericeccvs?
Where we go to church– come visit?
635
00:51:08,300 –> 00:51:12,701
Puncukopericvs maket– maketv– mak’t owvyisen. Uh-huh.
I was trying to say come visit us, but. Uh-huh.
636
00:51:12,701 –> 00:51:13,702
637
00:51:13,702 –> 00:51:22,589
Enka owan, hvtvm mowēp ‘punvkv. ’Stvmin aretsket owa, centv? Vrvkv hofonētt owisen. Hila! Uh-huh, mv New Tulsa?
Okay then, let’s talk again–How about you, where do you go? I haven’t gone to church in a long time. Hila! Uh-huh, that New Tulsa?
638
00:51:22,589 –> 00:51:25,205
New Tulsa mv ‘shvyvtketvt arvyēt owes. Mvt
I go to New Tulsa stompground.
639
00:51:25,205 –> 00:51:30,782
vmpvlse em estvlke mvn fullēt mvn ’tonhkotok, ‘cak-arvyēt owēs,
That’s my husband’s family’s ceremonial ground, anyway, that’s where I go.
640
00:51:30,782 –> 00:51:33,055
Arvyētis owis.
I could go.
641
00:51:33,055 –> 00:51:36,796
Tvlmocvse, mv te? Uh-huh, uh-huh. Mvn okis.
Is it Tvlmocvse? Uh-huh, uh-huh. That’s what I mean.
642
00:51:36,796 –> 00:51:39,479
Monkv West Eufaula tat cehoce–?
So West Eufaula is that your […]?
643
00:51:39,479 –> 00:51:44,823
Mǫwvhan ayvyis owēt owēs, hofonēs.
I don’t hardly go there, it’s been a long time.
644
00:51:44,823 –> 00:51:48,114
Mowis, arvyētis owis.
But I used to go.
645
00:51:48,114 –> 00:51:53,895
Onkv mvtēkus.
So that’s all.
646
00:51:53,895 –> 00:51:54,896
647
00:51:54,896 –> 00:51:55,897
648
00:51:55,897 –> 00:51:57,500
649
00:51:57,500 –> 00:52:06,159
650
00:52:06,159 –> 00:52:14,666
651
00:52:14,666 –> 00:52:19,741
652
00:52:19,741 –> 00:52:27,951
653
00:52:27,951 –> 00:52:34,752